Sunday, June 14, 2009

Dawkamentlaism is a typical ideological group

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Remember Zhavric on CARM? He's back. Here's a post he made that's most instructive.

6/14/09

I was listening to a Christian talk radio show the other night while driving home late. Why do I listen? It's because I can't drink coffee for medical reasons. I often listen to Christian radio on long drives. The things people say on these shows are idiotic and inflamatory... so it keeps me awake.

Anyway, there was some Christian whack-job calling in to say something about how Obama's economic policies were evidence... ("cold hard evidence" as the caller put it)... that the end of the world was coming. The caller then quoted some bit of scripture which vaguely sounded like it supported his point. The guy running the show argued with the whack job, but he was forced to have to fumble and search for some suitable bit of scriptural nonsense that contradicted the whack job's original bit of nonsense.

Two whack jobs arguing over which piece of irrelevant nonsense best fits in with their delusion.

How terrible is that?

As much as these two were whack jobs, they were doing what Christians are supposed to do: look for answers in scripture. And that's terrible.

These grown men who were (likely) college educated had been reduced to sounding insane because they'd both been trained from toddlerhood to look for answers in a 2000+ year old scam. Er, book. Whatever.

How much better would it have been if they could simply discuss Obama's economic policies on their own merit?

How much better would it have been if the caller could have said, "I think Obama's policies will have negative effect X based on real world evidence Y"?

How much better would it have been if the caller had said what he said on the air, and the host had been able to say, "Look, man, you sound like a nice & smart guy, but you're spouting off like a crazy person. Obama's policies are Obama's policies. They'll either work or not work to some degree. There's not a shred of evidence to make us think they're going to herald the end of the world. That's insane."

Honestly, if the guy had called in and said, "The rain drops on my porch window are tapping out a code that tells me the world is going to end" we'd have him locked up.

So, I submit that my morality is superior to those of Christians like this because mine is based on the avoidance of harm, reason, the golden and logic. It's not based on trying to shove the square pegs of today's issues into the round holes of archaic nonsense from the bible. I can freely discuss any issue without sounding like a crazy person.

Discuss.



so he will go out of his way to hear people who make him angry but he wont put himself out to read a single page of real theology by a real thinker? why? Because it's so much more fun to hate than to work at understanding a real thinker? He clearly hates them. one can see the passion of despising the other.


Two whack jobs arguing over which piece of irrelevant nonsense best fits in with their delusion.


here we see exactly what the FBI describes in stage four. Utter contempt for the target, coming together(on carm) to deride and ridicule the target. Of course this isn't filled with his own question begging assumptions is it?

How much better would it have been if they could simply discuss Obama's economic policies on their own merit?

How much better would it have been if the caller could have said, "I think Obama's policies will have negative effect X based on real world evidence Y"?


how much better would it be if he could discuss Christianity in intelligent rational terms and deal with the theology in the points that it presents. But he wont go near theology because his Fuhrer Dawkins the great one tells him not to, being a "free thinker" he must obey!


So, I submit that my morality is superior to those of Christians like this because mine is based on the avoidance of harm, reason, the golden and logic. It's not based on trying to shove the square pegs of today's issues into the round holes of archaic nonsense from the bible. I can freely discuss any issue without sounding like a crazy person.



boil it all down to utter simplicity. never mind the Regan era, never mind the fact that there was a vast movement to brain wash the churches in 80s. never mind the fact that it's still a minority and most Christians voted for Obama. Never mind the fact that Obama's a Chrsitian!


If being a nuttie fundie like that is what comes of Christianity how dose he explain Obama? why didn't it do that to him?

here's your view of the world: their guys are bad. them bad bad bad, baaaaaaaaaaaad.

we are good. Atheists = gooooooooood. Theists = baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.


this is the thing that comes over as the way you look at things. But you want to deny that atheism is a hate group but look at the facts.

*who singled out a certain group of people to blame all their woes upon?

*who decided that one group of people were really evil and ruining everything?

*who boiled down the world to a show down betwen them, the bad guys, the evil villains ruining everything, and us the good guys who going to save humanity?

Am I talking the Nazis? You might "that fits so many groups" yes it does my point.

communists
Nazis
right wingers
black power/Black Muslim
extreme feminism


this is how we know a segment of atheism is a hate group and that there is an atheist ideology. Because it fits all the other groups that are bound up in ideology.


we do a chart and show the basis of all ideology, and the "new atheism" or Dawkamentlaism will fit right on the chart.

here's a little table I worked out to illustrate the characteristics of ideological groups. I did this back when I was a communist. I was turned off by the brain wash effect of ideology and I wanted to make it clear exactly what an ideology group entails. Atheism wasn't even on the chart back when I first did it. The fact that it fits perfectly I think goes a long way toward proving that there is an atheist ideology.

























































across = group down = charactoristiccommunismNazismright wingBlack MuslimExtreme FeminismDawkametnalism (New atheism)
Exigenceclass struggleAryin supremacyfree from othersfree from whitesfree from Patriarchyfree from religion
party lineset by sovietsset by Fuhrerset by power structureFruit of IslamLesbian separatistsDawkins and other atheist stars
scape goatbourgeoisieJewscommunistswhite menwhite menChristians (fundies)
Vanguardworkers partyHitler youth/brown shirtsvigilantismFruit of IslamFeminist separatists"new" atheism
eschatologyWorkers ParadiseThird ReichAmerica "the way it should be"black utopiafeminist world with no menSweden (and all it symbolizes)




Unfortunately the atheist side of the talbe didnt' show the answer there are:
Dawkamentalits:

exigence= free from religion
party line set by = Dawkings and other atheist stars
scape goat = Christians
Vanguard = new atheism
eschatology = Sweden (enlightened atheist country)






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1 comment:

A Hermit said...

Fuck you Joe.

Yes Zhavric is a nasty little man, but you know what? You're just like him; taking your anger at one person and using it as an excuse to demean and dehumanize a whole group of people.

Take your slanderous little chart and shove it up your fat ass.