from Ooberman on CARM
There is no Hell, physical or emotional - or separate from a god.
There would have to be a god to be separate from it.
These are theological discussions. I think we should start asserting ourselves in this Subforum to stop people from having theological discussions in which a God is presumed to exist.
We should be having Pro-Athiesm discussions. Not arguments about what kind of god exists - that's theology. Leave it to the Religionists.
If the argument about what Hell is, that should be done in a Chrsitian Subforum.
As far as Atheism is concerned, Hell is a mythological place or, used in common speech to express a "hellish" state or place. If anyone claims it is more physical than spiritual, or more spiritual than physical - then we should point them to the Theology section.
This is the Dawkamentalist concept of free speech and scholarship. To them it' all propaganda.
here's atheist honesty and engagement in discussion.
My message: the Bible does not teach that hell is eteranl ocnscous torment:
Originally Posted by Metacrock View Post
that's cretinous to expect the vast majority who have the great thinkers firmly overwhelmingly and this vast efface of evidence that the opponents don't even understand can't answer don't even know is there.
Ummm...have you been drinking...
Yes delicaet genius it's speaking form within the assumptions I make abuot ht eworld hellooooooooo I am me/! understand? i make the assumptions I make. get it????
I'll take that as a yes.
the purpose of the board is to show what goes on in the minds of atheists that's what it says in the description.
I thought it was about "being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you,...", not totell us whats going on in the mind of Atheists, but to tell us whats going on in your mind, we're the ones you're talking about, we already know whats going on with us.
Oh and by the way, you're supposed to be telling us with "gentleness and reverence"...
all mockery and ridicule. why would tehy react with hate to the message tht they need not fear hell? Because they are hateful.
Atheists are always coming up with little gimmicks. Anytime you trump them with real knowledge they get up set and find a gimmick. The Jesus myth theory was such a gimmick. Jesus was such a compelling figure and there is some decent evidence he rose from the dead, so to counter that they just pretend he never existed, and give it a little name and make up some pseudo intelligent sounding crap pertaining to it. The "default" and the "extraordinary evidence credo" these are all gimmicks atheists made up and they are passed off as pseudo official sounding quasi logical tactics that in actuality mean nothing.
The latest is the Courtier's reply. This is it:
I recently referred to the "Courtier's Reply", a term invented by PZ Myers to rebut the claims of believers who insist that their superstitious beliefs are ever so much more sophisticated than the simple version that Dawkins attacks.This is a statement by a reductionist scientism king
PZ's response deserves much more publicity because it goes to the heart of the debate between rationalism and supersition. I'm going to post his original Courtier's Reply below (without permission, but I'm sure he'll understand) but before doing so I need to remind everyone about the original fairy tale [The Emperor's New Clothes].