the issue is Boyd Swift says only 2% of people in prision are atheists. Here is the data table that he used.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category: Response Number % ---------------------------- --------
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773% Church of Christ 1303 1.744% Pentecostal 1093 1.463% Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019% Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009% ---------------------------- -------- Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)
what do all of those have in commong? Look at them,what are they? All of them but atheist are religions arent' they? Adventist, Protestant, Santeria, Krishna. All religions. What is the colum called?
"Total of inmates per rleigion."
how do you supposes the got that statistic? do people come into prison with labels on their heads? I doubt it. I think they kind of to give them a questionnaire. Just a hunch, but since years ago on the original site that Swift got his stuff from it said that. So I just bet it's true. Now why is atheist in the column called "percentage of religions." Because some people, a small 2% marked "atheist" for their religious perfectness. Are all atheists going to do that? What about this next column:
Unknown/No Answer 18381 ---------------------------- Total Convicted 93112 80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.
Held in Custody 3856 (not surveyed due to temporary custody) ---------------------------- Total In Prisons 96968 I hope that this information is helpful to you.
On the original site which appears years ago (way back sround 2001) they had a colum called "no religious preference." Boyd wisely took that out it's not here now. But it was there originally. IN that colum you had 25% "no religion."
Is it a misuse of statistics to say there must be more atheist in the "no religion colum" so there are more than 2% in prision?
someone please tell me why is hta MY misue of stattistics?"
that's crazy. Anyone who can see that is either lying or an idiot. I don't think Hermit is either one of those things, But I think he's fooled by the way Boyd dishonestly re did the table to exclude that category.
Even what is reflected above it says religion is known for only 80 something %. That means there is a potential for 20% that have no religious preference. Why would they not be listed as atheist?
Notice also they don't have one single liberal theology guy. So why doesn't that mean there's 0% chance no chance at all of liberal theology guy going to prison.
Now Hermit if you are really willing to believe that Christians are 60 times more likely to go to prison please tell me why out of the probably about 5,000 Christians I've known in my life, I know only 1 who went to prison?
Hermit your understanding of statistics is crap. there's no way I'm misusing that. you don't know how to read a study. I was in college debate and I had to attack studies and find what was wrong with them an dhow to defend the one's I used I had to that every single day of my life for six years. there's at all wrong with my thinking on those figures, you don't understand it. You should. it's obvious. but you don't.
Here's another thing. The atheists on CARM said that atheists can't be disproportionate in prision from society.If they are 2% in society they have to be 2% in prision. But here's Swift's site where hey tries that they are disproportionate.
Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).
why would that be? How can they be disproportionate for him and not for me?
Of course he's vastly overestimating their percentage in society. They are really less than 2% according to the Pew study not 16, and about four other studies put them between 1.5 and 3%. But studies that find them have more 3% are always including people who say "there might some kind of higher power but I hate organized religion."
When one uses the actual definition that atheist always insist upon constantly "it's just a lack of belief nothing else" then it's 3%. That's the percent that says "there is no God of any kind."
It's hilarious the double standards they will use to make an argument. The idea of honestly interpreting statistics is beyond them.