Sunday, May 31, 2009

How Many Atheists Love Evil?

On CARM I'm dealing with a bunch of people who think "how od we know good is good and bad is bad? The asked questions like "how do you know God is good and not evil?"

when you say "the sources that I accept as authoritative tel me this" they go "o that's circular reasoning." ond of them even thought It' immoral to forgive people. Immoral to forgive!

Man our culture is doomed. We have no concept anymore of the basics.

12 comments:

A Hermit said...

Aren't these legitimate questions? how do we decide what is good and what is evil? How can have any moral sense if we don't ask the question? Just accepting some authority's declarations doesn't seem adequate to me.

J.L. Hinman said...

yes, those are good questions. But they are saying they know the answer, becuse they say the bible is evil. Then when I ask "how do you know the answer" the only one they give is "the culture says so." but the culture is base upon the bible.

J.L. Hinman said...

ON cram tonight HRG said there is no evil, evil is a meaningless term. So if that's the case how can you say the Bible is evil?

J.L. Hinman said...

knowing God is good is a totally different matter. We should be able to assume the Goodness of God axiomatically as part of the definition of the word.

A Hermit said...

"yes, those are good questions. But they are saying they know the answer, becuse they say the bible is evil."And you say YOU know the answer, that it's good and you know this because...why? Because God revealed it to you? Because someone in "authority" says so?

How is that any better?!

J.L. Hinman said...

you know better than to think that owuld be the kind of answer I would give! This is me you are talking to not Scarlots or some doufous CARM fundie.

A Hermit said...

Those are the answers you give: Religious experience and ""the sources that I accept as authoritative tel me this"

J.L. Hinman said...

Those are the answers you give: Religious experience and ""the sources that I accept as authoritative tel me this"

when did I ever say that?

I'm rally tired of how stuid atehists are. I can't do this any more. I'm sick to death of ignorant people who have not read one page of my knowledge repository (whihc is thousands of pages) and they think they know it all. they think they can dismiss my ideas with little stupid ass one liners as you really bleieve that I've ever jsut dashed "the bible says so?"

is that really waht you think I say?

fuck you. that's stupid. you kow that's stupid. go read my web site.

A Hermit said...

"when did I ever say that?"

Right here:

How Many Atheists Love Evil?

You can't even remember what you said in the post we're commenting on and you call ME stupid?!

"go read my web site."

I have; you say essentially the same thing; that your knowledge of God relies on your religious experience as understood in the light of those theologians whom you recognize as authorities on the subject.

I don't think that's entirely unreasonable, by the way...even if I disagree with your conclusions.

J.L. Hinman said...

You can't even remember what you said in the post we're commenting on and you call ME stupid?!

I didn't call you stupid. I do a lot of posting you know I can't remember everything.

"go read my web site."

I have; you say essentially the same thing; that your knowledge of God relies on your religious experience as understood in the light of those theologians whom you recognize as authorities on the subject.


you are insultingly reducing a complex bunch of texts with brilliant ideas in them to utter simplistic stupidity because you can't face the fact I have things to say that matter.

I have not insulted your intelligence but now you start this new ploy of attack my ideas and my thinking I'm about to.


I don't think that's entirely unreasonable, by the way...even if I disagree with your conclusions.


reducing it to simplistic crap is not disagreement. Is' butchering good writing and good thinking.

A Hermit said...

Obviously I'm oversimplifying, but essentially that is what you've been arguing in our conversations. Religious experience gives you knowledge of God and your understanding of God is informed by your reading of people like Tillich; or as you said in the is very post in response to the question of God's goodness "the sources that I accept as authoritative tel me this".

Someone reading that in a forum post can't be faulted for taking you at your word...

J.L. Hinman said...

Obviously I'm oversimplifying, but essentially that is what you've been arguing in our conversations. Religious experience gives you knowledge of God and your understanding of God is informed by your reading of people like Tillich; or as you said in the is very post in response to the question of God's goodness "the sources that I accept as authoritative tel me this".

Someone reading that in a forum post can't be faulted for taking you at your word...


there is nothing wrong with saying that. There's nothing absolutely nothing wrong or illogical about crediting a source that one accepts as authoritative. Atheists do it all the time.

you accept science as authoritative and so you accept what it tells you.

the real trick is why one accepts it as authoritative.