Thursday, May 21, 2009

Multiplicy of Comments

Loren posted several comments, unfortunately I deleted them. That was a mistake. But the gist of at least one was that if one doesn't like being mocked for a disability then it's just making excuses for "short comings." She also quotes the "official reason" for by being banned at IIB.

Some atheits are constantly insulting to everything involved with religion.t hey do not think they do not argue, they do nothing but crank out hatred morning noon and night. If you fight back, you are being insulting. Like most little selfish whining atheists they never consider their own actions. Its' all coming in on them, they never think what they do to other people. That's why it's a hate group. It's just a bunch of selfish little pigs who can't think, trying to bully they way to hegemony over people who think.

Why does she believe The "official statement?" Like that really proves they weren't unfair. Like would really "officially" we are banning you because we are unfair bastards!

As for the initial assertion that dyslexia is just whining about short comings, as though spelling errors are "shortcoming." she still can't get it that I don't see the words they way do.

This is surely proof that these little Dawkamentailsts are just idiots. To not be able to comprehend that I can't see the words the right way, it's just stupid.


On carm in response to my thing on brain chemistry, which they clearly didn't read, becasue everyone of them has assumed I was saying that brain chemistry doesn't exist. If they read it they would see that I say nothing about brain chemistry not being involved in the way we perceive reality.

then one genius comes up with this:



Quote:
Originally Posted by CACTUSJACKmanki View Post
Probably because mystical experiences arent actually mystical. there is ZERO evidence that people are experience anything genuinely supernatural.


hey John Nance Garner! good to see you. Roosevelt's first vice President.


No there's a ton of evidence that ti's supernatural. The problem is you don't know what supernatural means. Since you have the wrong idea about what that is (as do moth atheists and even most Christians) you can't understand that iti s supernatural a prori, that's what supernatural means, it means mystical experience.


the nature of mystical experice in and of itself is the basis of the concept of supernatural.




Quote, Cactus Jack:
Keep in mind that annecdotes are not evidence as they are totally subjective and do not occur within controlled conditions. I do not doubt that people have strange experiences, i doubt their explanation of the cause and nature of those experiences. Mystical experiences dont prove mystical reality any more than loch ness monster experiences prove the loch ness monster or alien abduction tales prove ET species have interacted with humans.



350 studies is not anecdotal. A measurement devise, the M scale, excepted as vaild by a whole discipline in psychology is not anecdotal.

By definition that's the opposite of anecdotal.


when will you people start listening?

17 comments:

Loren said...

Metacrock, IIDB/FRDB does not ban people for their beliefs, but for their behavior. I know that from my long experience with that board; I joined it a month after its current incarnation was created.

People with a variety of different religions and beliefs have posted there without getting anywhere close to banned, so making a convert would not have bothered IIDB's staff. So if you think that your banning from there is unjust, then please describe why you think that you are innocent of the claimed reasons for banning.

That is not to say that I approve of *every* IIDB staff action. I was not happy about the banning of EverLastingGodStopper and its aftermath, for instance.

But even ELGS had not been banned for her beliefs, but for rubbing certain Important People the wrong way.

As to your dyslexia, I've noticed that your Negations articles are orthographically immaculate. How did that happen? When you once posted on "supid atheit tricks", one of your admirers begged you not to become a self-parody. Proofreading is not that hard -- I do it on everything I write.

J.L. Hinman said...

Metacrock, IIDB/FRDB does not ban people for their beliefs, but for their behavior. I know that from my long experience with that board; I joined it a month after its current incarnation was created.


of course they say that. what do you expect them to say?

I didn't say banned me for my beliefs. I don't beileve that. They banned me because I kicked their asses in debate every time real badly.

they have a lot of different kinds of people. But those who fight back when they do their little ridicule thing get banned.

they day they banned me things had been going soomthly for a coupel of weeks. I was not having any fights or any insults. But I converted someone. that guys said "this is what I've been looking for all my life, atheism is shallow, this is what I need." He became al iberal chrsitain they way I am. that day they banned me. I believe it was because they saw I was effetive.

It was more because I had learned to insult and become effective that they had to get rid of me.

they proceeded to lie about me they quoted things attributed to me that I never said. He started a slander campaign to ruin my reputation as a thinker.

they made up quotes that I never said and spread them about. I know that they laid it all out on the secret board the theists aren't allowed to see. someone told me about it.

Loren said...

Why not tell us who this convert is? What is their IIDB username? I'd be able to find out what they had said.

And why do you think that IIDB's staff would *care* how many converts you made? I know several of them up close, and they show no evidence of caring about such a thing. I repeat, it's behavior that they care about.

And what are your great debate triumphs in IIDB? I suggest going to FRDB and looking at Formal Debates & Discussions. It's publicly readable, so you should be able to find your triumphs there.

J.L. Hinman said...

Why not tell us who this convert is? What is their IIDB username? I'd be able to find out what they had said.

And why do you think that IIDB's staff would *care* how many converts you made? I know several of them up close, and they show no evidence of caring about such a thing. I repeat, it's behavior that they care about.


(1) He may not want you to know.

(2) This was back in 2004 so he's probably not there now. Maybe even before that. I don't remember.

I'm sure there was a combination of motivations, they hated me because they could not beat my arguments, they are stupid so they can't understand what I say, the convert thing is part of it. But it may be that none of the same people are there now.
And what are your great debate triumphs in IIDB?


that's a stupid question. I argued with a bunch of people and I always beat the crap out of their argument. Most of them were too stupid to understand when they lost.I suggest going to FRDB and looking at Formal Debates & Discussions. It's publicly readable, so you should be able to find your triumphs there.


I was in debate in high school and collage, for four years each. I traveled on the NDT national circuit and I beat top teams like AirForce. I used to teach debate as a squad leader every year in the college workshop.

I know far more about debate than you ever will.

I am sorry to tell you but I know that you think you win our exchanges here bu tyou get your head handed to you ever time. you are not very well read, you don't know argument, and you just can't figure makes an argument win or lose.

Loren said...

About your convert,
(1) He may not want you to know.(2) This was back in 2004 so he's probably not there now. Maybe even before that. I don't remember.If your memory is that fuzzy about that event, then you ought not to advertise it as some great triumph. There are a lot of assertions I have decided not to make because I could not support them.

I'm sure there was a combination of motivations, they hated me because they could not beat my arguments, they are stupid so they can't understand what I say, the convert thing is part of it.Do you have ANY evidence for ANY of that at all?

I've been close to several staff members at IIDB and its successor boards, and I know how they administer those boards. Metacrock, you will be completely welcome at the Secular Cafe, for instance, if you are polite and well-behaved there.

I was in debate in high school and collage, for four years each. I traveled on the NDT national circuit and I beat top teams like AirForce. I used to teach debate as a squad leader every year in the college workshop.So you were quick on your feet and reasonably well-prepared. That is NOT the same thing as superior ability at doing in-depth research.

J.L. Hinman said...

About your convert,
(1) He may not want you to know.(2) This was back in 2004 so he's probably not there now. Maybe even before that. I don't remember.If your memory is that fuzzy about that event, then you ought not to advertise it as some great triumph. There are a lot of assertions I have decided not to make because I could not support them.


I can't remember one detail so therefore I made up the whole the thing or can't remember any fo it. that's brilliant.I'm sure there was a combination of motivations, they hated me because they could not beat my arguments, they are stupid so they can't understand what I say, the convert thing is part of it.Do you have ANY evidence for ANY of that at all?


what do I need "evidence" for?I've been close to several staff members at IIDB and its successor boards, and I know how they administer those boards. Metacrock, you will be completely welcome at the Secular Cafe, for instance, if you are polite and well-behaved there.


almost everyone I ever talked to on IIDB was a know nothing loudmouth who totally insulting had horrible attitudes and couldn't shut up dispensing ignorance and verbal abuse constantly. They only reason they say that about me that I'm insulting Is becasue I wasn't willing to sit still for it.I was in debate in high school and collage, for four years each. I traveled on the NDT national circuit and I beat top teams like AirForce. I used to teach debate as a squad leader every year in the college workshop.So you were quick on your feet and reasonably well-prepared. That is NOT the same thing as superior ability at doing in-depth research.

that is another statement of pure ignorance. if yo knew anything bout debate in school, NFL or NDT you would know they are the best researchers in the world. we did nothing but research. Modern high school and college debate is totally research driven. I cut my teeth on study methodology.

I learned more about social science research methods in debate than I did from my 21 hours as a sociology major.

Loren said...

I can't remember one detail so therefore I made up the whole the thing or can't remember any fo it. that's brilliant.I NEVER argued that. I argued that if you don't remember much about it, then you ought not to claim it as a big triumph, because your memory may be imperfect and it may have been something other than a big triumph for you.

I also noticed that you never addressed the IIDB admins' charges. You have not attempted to prove that you had not insulted anyone or disregarded official messages from staff members.

almost everyone I ever talked to on IIDB was a know nothing loudmouth who totally insulting had horrible attitudes and couldn't shut up dispensing ignorance and verbal abuse constantly. They only reason they say that about me that I'm insulting Is becasue I wasn't willing to sit still for it.You ought to know who decreed that we ought to love our enemies and turn the other cheek and so forth.

J.L. Hinman said...

I can't remember one detail so therefore I made up the whole the thing or can't remember any fo it. that's brilliant.I NEVER argued that. I argued that if you don't remember much about it, then you ought not to claim it as a big triumph, because your memory may be imperfect and it may have been something other than a big triumph for you.


where did I say it was a "big triumph?" see youk don't pay attention. I was using that to expalin why they kicked me off the board, not that it was a triumph. Moreover, I only said one thing I couldn't remember and you turn that into "if you cant' remember more than that." that's silly.I also noticed that you never addressed the IIDB admins' charges. You have not attempted to prove that you had not insulted anyone or disregarded official messages from staff members.


why should I? that was a kangaroo court. are you that stupid? they will never ever eve ever admit that they are totally insulting and ignorant. they wil not fess up to any of their shortcomings, hey never recoginze that my "insults" were just self self defense becasue I was being insutled. Why should I give credence to their stupidity by answering their lies?almost everyone I ever talked to on IIDB was a know nothing loudmouth who totally insulting had horrible attitudes and couldn't shut up dispensing ignorance and verbal abuse constantly. They only reason they say that about me that I'm insulting Is becasue I wasn't willing to sit still for it.

You ought to know who decreed that we ought to love our enemies and turn the other cheek and so forth.


I didn't' say I don't love them. Loving them does not require giving credence to their bull shit.

Loren said...

You:
where did I say it was a "big triumph?" see youk don't pay attention. I was using that to expalin why they kicked me off the board, not that it was a triumphWhy not do some research before you make your claims? I myself do LOTS of research.

... hey never recoginze that my "insults" were just self self defense becasue I was being insutled.What insults did you get? Why didn't you ever report them to staff members?

Also, love your enemies, turn the other cheek, ... remember?

Why should I give credence to their stupidity by answering their lies?Why do you think that those IIDB staffers were lying?

You are welcome to participate in a board that I'm at, http://secularcafe.org as long as you don't make an ass out of yourself there. Metaphorically, of course, not in the sense of Apuleius's Golden Ass.

A Hermit said...

"...they wil not fess up to any of their shortcomings, hey never recoginze that my "insults" were just self self defense becasue I was being insutled."Pardon my saying so, but given my experience in your forums Joe I have to say I don't find this very convincing; you have a habit of becoming quite hostile and lashing out when people disagree with you, they don't have to be insulting to provoke this behaviour...

I'm not saying those guys are angels either, but it often seems to be a case of "I thought he was going to hit me so I hit him back first" with you...

J.L. Hinman said...

...they wil not fess up to any of their shortcomings, hey never recoginze that my "insults" were just self self defense becasue I was being insutled."Pardon my saying so, but given my experience in your forums Joe I have to say I don't find this very convincing; you have a habit of becoming quite hostile and lashing out when people disagree with you, they don't have to be insulting to provoke this behaviour...


well fuck you! if you cant' see the obvious in frong of your face, how can you posibly deny that peple rambo and Zaravic have been insult wht liar your are! you must the most self decieved person in the world.

your sense of these things is jaundiced.
I'm not saying those guys are angels either, but it often seems to be a case of "I thought he was going to hit me so I hit him back first" with you...

that's just stupid. I start this crap with totally good will. I reid really for years to be a good little door mat and never insult back. they kept getting mroe an dmore snide, more and more inslutling more are more outrageous.

but you like most atheists don't understand the basics of what is an insult to a Chrsitian and you don't care. you are the most selfish self centered whinig ltitle babbies I've ever seen (atheists in general).

A Hermit said...

"well fuck you! if you cant' see the obvious in frong of your face, how can you posibly deny that peple rambo and Zaravic"I don't know who rambo is, and I've told Zhavric off for being rude to you in the past.

I'm not suggesting that no one has ever been rude to you; what I'm saying is that given the way you behaved toward me, (and the way I have seen you behave towards others who weren't being insulted but were simply disagreeing with you) I am not prepared to buy your story about what happened on IIDB at face value. I wasn't there, and they aren't here to defend themselves. I can't help thinking there's more to the story...

"your sense of these things is jaundiced."If it is it's because of this habit you have of calling me stupid and telling me to "fuck off" whenever I don't play along.

"but you like most atheists don't understand the basics of what is an insult to a Chrsitian and you don't care."Apparently thinking for myself and not accepting your pronouncements as gospel is all it takes...

"you are the most selfish self centered whinig ltitle babbies I've ever seen (atheists in general)."That's pretty funny when you're the one playing victim here...;-P

J.L. Hinman said...

yoiu have a point. I know. that "fuck you" is a friendly Texasism. We talk that way all the time down here. It doesn't mean anything. Hope it didn't hurt your feelings.

A Hermit said...

"Hope it didn't hurt your feelings."Oh it would take a lot more than that to hurt me, but it does seem to indicate an attitude of contempt on your part which is not very conducive to conversation...which may be why people often respond to you the way they do...

A Hermit said...

By the way, is calling someone a liar, the most self decieved person in the world and "the most selfish self centered whinig ltitle babbies I've ever seen" just a friendly Texasism?

`Cause most places I've lived that kind of talk might get a person a friendly punch in the nose in reply...something to keep in mind if you ever travel out of state...;-)

J.L. Hinman said...

fuck you

A Hermit said...

;-)