Monday, October 5, 2009

Hate Group Atheism Makes Personal Attack on Metacrock

I can't post on this guy's site because I'm not signed up or something. But he attacks me and my blog. He calls his blog "Paganitician" the article "the cowardly custard who cannot reason."

Cowardly Custard is a C.S. Lewis Phrase. I challenge this idiot to a debate. He can't reason. He's a fool a prori because he's given up the greatest thing in the universe to flaunt is own stupidity.

His attack:



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A little while ago, I mentioned a few blogs that I read solely for the purposes of schadenfreude. The title of this post is a literal one-sentence quote from one of those blogs, namely Atheistwatch. Atheistwatch is a blog run by Metacrock.

Metacrock is a very...interesting character, and is difficult to adequately describe in a few paragraphs. He has spent years evangelizing atheists, and yet claims not to be a fundamentalist. However, what is even stranger is that he is, in fact, not a fundamentalist Christian: his idea of Christianity involves a) no hell and b) the idea that all gods are really the same. Yeeah...so Jesus, Zeus, Bast, Thoth, Hermes, Loki, and Freya? They're really all the same thing (or, as he'd weasel-word it, they're all the same cultural construct....yeahhh..ummm..no). To him, the Christian god (and, by extension, all gods...I guess) is "the ground of Being" (yes, because it's Very Important to Capitalize certain Words so that You Look all Scholarly and Shit). He has never given a particularly coherent explanation of what that means, but from what I've gathered, it's along the lines of "that which allows everything else to exist." Well, then, Mr. Christian, welcome to Deism...dumbass!

He has a Master's degree in theology and was a PhD candidate at Perkins Perkins Theological Seminary, where he studied the ever popular nebulous field of "History of Ideas." His education is a humongous part of his ego, and the slightest perceived hint that he might not know something makes him froth at the mouth. He claims to have written over forty "proofs" of the existence of the Christian god, but upon closer examination, he cops out by stating that they're only "warrants for belief."

One of his favorite arguments for the existence of the Christian god is the "argument" from religious experience. He claims to have compiled a list of a certain number of studies--the number seems to change from 300 to 200 to 350 to 2000 and then back to 350 again--that show BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT that religious people are happier than those mean, hateful ol' atheists. Never mind that he hasn't released this mystery list of studies (although he promises to release that in his book that'll be released...well...someday....you'll see, and then you'll be sorry!!1eleventyones!) and has yet to present a single one of these studies in full (once in awhile, he'll give a half-dozen or so summaries). And never mind that even if religious people are happier than atheists, that wouldn't in and of itself prove that a single god exists. For if you point any of those things out, you're being hateful and are part of a hate group and the FBI ought to keep a watch on atheists because they're hateful, and atheists have shut down conversation, and....and...and...etc. The self-inflicted pain provides for delicious schadenfreude.

What's hilariously ironic about his pet "argument" is that despite his claiming that religious people are HAPPIER, DAMMIT than atheists, Metacrock is one of the most caustically hateful people I have encountered on--or off--the internet.

And finally, if you have taken a glance at any of Metacrock's writings at this point, you'll immediately notice his glaring lack of aptitude with basic spelling and grammar. He blames all of this on his dyslexia--fair enough--but refuses to use even the most basic of spellcheckers. While reading his writing, I often find--and I doubt I'm alone in this--that I use an internal voice that...well...shall we say belongs to someone who's a bit "speshul." If you brave reading his ramblings, let me know if you find your internal monologue sounding different.




My answer:


I did my Ph.D. work at UT Dallas not Perkins. I got my Masters at Perkins. So my Ph.D. stuff was sin a secular program.


this stupider than shit puissant thinks that what I'm saying is deism because he's too fucking stupid to look the meaning of deism or to know anything about theology today so he doesn't have any idea what modern theologians believe. He calls me a dumass but the truth of it is he's an ignorant unread little pimple faced idiot who is probably in junior high.

I don't say Zeus is the same as Jesus. Jesus is the actual one concrete difference that can be used to sort out religious traditions, becuase he was a real guy. The gods of various traditions are concepts that hint at the real reality behind them all, which is beyond our understanding. But Jesus is a concrete historical case and that offers us a revealed understanding of God's character.

I am not concerned with evangelizing atheists. If there is a hell, which you are right I don't believe in, I hope atheists go there becuase they deserve to. I don't care to lead them to Jesus because they hate Jesus so they can burn for all I care.

Belief in ultimate transformation power (salvation) hardly makes me a fundie, since all religious people have some notion of that concept.

I don't get upset when people say that I don't know something. I admit all the time that there are many things I don't know. I get upset because ignorant atheist scum lie adn say that I didn't go to graduate school and other unfair absurd things and lies about me. What upsets me is the hate group aspect of the Orwellian atheist movement. Not to mention the Orwellian features.

Just the act of having to make me the issues show they are not willing to play fair.


the list of studies changes because I find new ones that makes it go up. Lately I have began arguing for a lower number as a concession because I can't find all the studies show I narrowed it to the one's I'm sure about.

It doesn't' matter because no atheist as ever bothered to look even one of them up. Being lazy and stupid they don't care how many studies say what. they are not really concerned with scinece, science is just an excuse for you.

atheism represents the destruction of western civilization because ti's attack on Christianity is really an attack upon learning and thinking.

You have said many inaccurate things and you could just as easily have gotten them right if you were concerned with truth, which obviously you are not.


Then we have the repetition of one of their most cherished lies about me:


And finally, if you have taken a glance at any of Metacrock's writings at this point, you'll immediately notice his glaring lack of aptitude with basic spelling and grammar. He blames all of this on his dyslexia--fair enough--but refuses to use even the most basic of spellcheckers



The truth is I use a spell check every time I write anything, because I have firefox. Sot he spell check is automatically there in the text every single time. I use it every single time. Most of my things are not spelled badly. Once in a while a word goes through wrong, or a name that the spell checker doesn't know will get through. But these imbecilic vermin who know nothing (ie atheists) are born liars, they are mentions Satan so they are possessed with spirits of lie, and they just love to lie about the hated target group who they despise and long to kill. So they say these things all the time. they just get in the habit, "o Metacorck, he doesn't use spell check and all his stuff is spelled wrong all the time." it's a mantra. They don't even bother to look to see if it's true.

they are lying scum. what do you expect from vermin.

Now little coward vermin I challenge you formally stupid. debate me or prove your cowardice you little fool.

8 comments:

Rosemary said...

Fun fact: Paganitician isn't an atheist. Not that I expect you to look any more fondly on folks who follow the old polytheistic pagan traditions as you do on atheists, but it's a valid point of distinction.

tinythinker said...

It would be better without calling people "scum" and "vermin" and such.

J.L. Hinman said...

Rosemary, that is a valid point. I didn't realize that. I may issue a retraction. But the fact is I want to like neo pagans. I want to have respect for them. But they don't have respect for Christians. They are just like atheists in that regard, it's not about the value of their practices but about a means rebellion agaisnt the established order. I mean I think for them it's just about rebellion and not their thing. They could be coin collectors for all it matters. If they thought coin collecting would really dig at Christians they would be collecting coins.

J.L. Hinman said...

Tiny, I know. but...

Rosemary said...

We Neopagans are a pretty varied bunch; blanket statements don't apply well to us. That said, a great many of us came to this path after being raised in some form of Christianity. It's a foregone conclusion that not all Christian groups are created equal; a sizable number of my fellows had some bad experiences from this upbringing. I've known some who came through this so traumatized that they still cannot work with male deities in any form; others have simply formed a very distinct and negative idea of what Christianity is. Please understand, these are your standard flawed human people who have been through, to them, harsh life lessons. They carry what we call 'sacred wounds', and it's important to remember that these are many and varied.

That said, blanket statements don't apply well to neopagans. Get ten of us in a room, and you'll have at least fifteen ideas of the nature of the Divine strewn about. Paganitician and I both attend a pagan-themed Unitarian Universalist church. I've personally been to rituals where Jesus has been invoked alongside a couple dozen other prophets and deities. Our respect for people is not set by what creed they follow, but how they treat people of creeds not their own. There's not a religion in existence that doesn't have intolerant individuals among them, the full spectrum of pagan faiths included. Those amongst Christianity simply tend to get noticed more because, well, there's a lot of them and they're vocal.

Now, as for your blanket statements toward atheism....well. Paganitician may not fall under that umbrella, but as it happens, both my partner and my father do. I have to say the generalizations you made were extraordinarily offensive. Knowing and loving these two men as well as I do, I can only say that such assumptions are ridiculous. I can tell you that my faith and my boyfriend's atheism coexist in harmony. Perhaps, like my previously mentioned Neopagan brethren, you carry your own sacred wounds when it comes to your personal experiences.

J.L. Hinman said...

We Neopagans are a pretty varied bunch; blanket statements don't apply well to us. That said, a great many of us came to this path after being raised in some form of Christianity.


>>I know. I have had neo pagan friends. Some I have known have been fine people who I enjoyed sitting with and discussing ideas. They listened to me and I listened them and we did not get up set and I liked them. My initial reaction to is not "O no minions of satan, feel them at once!"



It's a foregone conclusion that not all Christian groups are created equal; a sizable number of my fellows had some bad experiences from this upbringing.

>>>AS have I as well. I can totally relate.


I've known some who came through this so traumatized that they still cannot work with male deities in any form; others have simply formed a very distinct and negative idea of what Christianity is. Please understand, these are your standard flawed human people who have been through, to them, harsh life lessons. They carry what we call 'sacred wounds', and it's important to remember that these are many and varied.


>>>I do understand and I can sympathize.

That said, blanket statements don't apply well to neopagans. Get ten of us in a room, and you'll have at least fifteen ideas of the nature of the Divine strewn about. Paganitician and I both attend a pagan-themed Unitarian Universalist church. I've personally been to rituals where Jesus has been invoked alongside a couple dozen other prophets and deities. Our respect for people is not set by what creed they follow, but how they treat people of creeds not their own. There's not a religion in existence that doesn't have intolerant individuals among them, the full spectrum of pagan faiths included. Those amongst Christianity simply tend to get noticed more because, well, there's a lot of them and they're vocal.

Now, as for your blanket statements toward atheism....well. Paganitician may not fall under that umbrella, but as it happens, both my partner and my father do. I have to say the generalizations you made were extraordinarily offensive. Knowing and loving these two men as well as I do, I can only say that such assumptions are ridiculous. I can tell you that my faith and my boyfriend's atheism coexist in harmony. Perhaps, like my previously mentioned Neopagan brethren, you carry your own sacred wounds when it comes to your personal experiences.


>>>I was an atheist and I have atheist friends. but atheism is not what it used to be. It used to be thinking people in universities now it is marked by people who are apt to avoid universities. I know there are exceptions. But I'm really sick of being slandared by peoplewho can't understand what I'm saying.

I really did have a good educatino and i was advanced in my larning and thiniking I"m not saying to brag it's really true. My creer was stolen form me unfairly and all I wanted was to subsittute something less for what I should have rightfully had. That again is stolen from me by sutpid peolpe who can't think and who figure that if htey don't get waht I'm saying it can't be because they haven't learned what I've leanred it must be become I'm stupid.

I think a lot of those people get a charge out of pretending that ridicule makes them smart.


why should I be tolerant of a total bigot who tries to destroy my reputation for not good other than he cant' figure out what I'm saying? The guys are slandering me and they are not on my level. They don't understand what I'm saying because they don't have my learning. that's a provable fact. that's not my ego I can prove this just by showing the books and go read the books I've read and you will see.

It's slander and it's personal and it has no good basis, just their little perverse ego trips.

Rosemary said...

As I said: Sacred Wounds, you have them. This does, in fact, make your writings quite caustic. For example, your latest post goes on about how atheism is a brainwashing scam. Your top link on the page is titled, "Atheism is Evil". How do you sort out which is attack and which is counterattack? It is these things that attracted Paganitician's attention in the first place, and even then, he's hardly 'out to get' you. He found something he thought was a musing, and posted it to his personal journal. I doubt many more than a dozen people read it.

Not much fuel for destroying a reputation. Really, with your inflammatory blanket statements, you're doing that yourself just fine without any help from the outside world.

P.S. - Whatever spellcheck Firefox does for you doesn't appear to be functioning when you type your comments.

J.L. Hinman said...

As I said: Sacred Wounds, you have them. This does, in fact, make your writings quite caustic. For example, your latest post goes on about how atheism is a brainwashing scam. Your top link on the page is titled, "Atheism is Evil". How do you sort out which is attack and which is counterattack? It is these things that attracted Paganitician's attention in the first place, and even then, he's hardly 'out to get' you. He found something he thought was a musing, and posted it to his personal journal. I doubt many more than a dozen people read it.

I don't see any reason to treat them with kid gloves. They want war they wont to spew their hatred all over every religious person they can find, why treat them like little unhappy children when they are willing indulge in character assassinate and totally crush people's self esteems.

Not much fuel for destroying a reputation. Really, with your inflammatory blanket statements, you're doing that yourself just fine without any help from the outside world.


to anyone actually willing to read what I have to say and use their brains to think about it, anyone with a bit of education can see I know what I'm talking about.

P.S. - Whatever spellcheck Firefox does for you doesn't appear to be functioning when you type your comments.

re spell checking the last one only two words were underlined, maybe three. Sometimes it's hard to the lines. two of those words were related to names.