Monday, March 10, 2014

Sorry I'm only three years late answering an atheist email

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I got an email today that was in response to a post way back in 2012. The post today was nothing more than a blow off, some general "you are stupid" kind of statement with a dare that "you dont' dare post this." So I did of course. I noticed way back on that day, (the promise was for Oct 2011 but the answer was put up in July of 2012). I promised to answer answer a certain email the following Monday and I never did. Sorry, so in the interest of keeping a proimse, although belated, I'll answer it now.  Here's the email:

Blogger Josip Kuleš said...
The fact is that the Bible does encourage violence, you talk of evidence, when you have none either. Atheists do not believe in things without evidence, you do, that is the only difference. Don't get me wrong, atheists that say they know god does not exist is equaly annoyng as fundamentalists. The only problem i have with people like you is that you think everything you don't like is religious persecution. No one ever didn't get a job because they were christian, but that happens to atheists, that is persecution, but if i call your religion stupid that is my opinion and i have a right to express it, if it offends you that is not my problem. (sorry about my grammar, english is not mi first language). My name is Josip Kules, and i don't care if you delete this.
Where does the Bible encourage violence? Is it in saying "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword?"(Matthew 26:52)  Or is it in saying "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.?" (Romans 12:19) Or is it in "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." (Matthew 5:39). I can't think of a sinlge passage where it says "thou shalt be violent." I notice he does not supply one. So he's just assuming that talking about violence means it is violent. Another misunderstanding that would be correted if this the atheists has any concept of literature.

He asserts that we have no evidence, that believe in things without evidence. He's still a sucker for the old trick. They will never tumble to the fact that brain washing has coaxed them into believing a lie. It's so much more convenient to bleieve the lie. I've discussed why the atheist straw man argument bout faith = believer without reason is wrong. Atheist Watch, "Faith is not belief without proof" (Jan 11, 2012), and  Metacrock's Blog, Jan 28, 2013 "faith is not a replacement for proof"

There may be more but that will do. As for actual evidence I have the 10 warrants for bleief on Religious a Priori ( a veritable gold mine of evidence. That's scant compared to the mother load of 52 arguments (warrants for belief) on Doxa:

Again this guy believes the atheist propaganda. Instead of trying to understand what Christians believe he just accepts what he's told they believe by people who have a vested interest in making them look stupid. That vested interest is their need to feel good about themselves. Atheist pump themselves up by putting down Christians. They are atheist largely becuase they hate themselves, thus they hate the creator who made them as they are. This is born out by several studies in psychology.

I believe that faith is partly placing confidence in a hypothesis, and that one always has a reason for doing so. Faith is never believe things "with no reason." Of cousre reasons must be valid and sound.

"The only problem i have with people like you is that you think everything you don't like is religious persecution." that's odd, I don't think Okra is rleigous persecution. I don't think "survivor" is religious persecution (although it's some kind of persecution--maybe persecution of intelligence).  This is what get's me these stupid people who clearly know shit about theoloyg and religion think they know it all.  They have never met me but they say "people like you!" when did you ever meet anyone like me? You have not the slightest idea what I'm like. you have a stereo type of Christians becuase your brain washers have taught you that all Chrsitians are alike so you hate what you have been programed to bleieve i "the Christian types" so you can tell you are so intelligent. You get your bully rush and feel like a big shot becuase you can put down Christians, to whom you are so superior. If I say I'm an intellectual that wont mean jack shit to you becuase you don't know what that is.

You go find another Christian whose favorite director is Ingmar Bergman, and whose favorite German writer is Goethe and whose whose Ph.D. work was in Derrida and in Newton and the Latitudeinarians and the interface between scinece and religion in the 17th century, find a Christian who has read the New Testament in Greek, who enjoys reading Lao Tsu, who likes reading Kark Karayne and who thinks the uses mythology, and accepts polysymbolicmonothiesm (if you just find one other human who has ever heard that word I'll be impressed) then I'll let you talk about "people like me." Now many Christians do you know who do any of that? I bet you don't know what half the things on that list are.

He asserts that no one ever didn't get a job because he was a Christian. Really? wanna bet, how about getting killed? I read a book about the persecution of Chrsitans in teh Soviet Union. Show me where the American Gulags are that house Atheists who are being forced to work in labor camps? That's a proved fact for the USSR persecuting Chrsitians. I bet you can't prove a single case of job discrimination because of atheism?

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union, Christianity was suppressed and persecuted to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy toward religion was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, which made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religion.[1]
The atheist led government of USSR murdered 60 million people between the Russian Revolution (1917 and 1993) many of them were killed because they were Christians. Communism as a whole murdered 110, Million people.[2]

In the U.S. the EEOC tells us:

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employers with at least 15 employees, as well as employment agencies and unions, from discriminating in employment based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin. It also prohibits retaliation against persons who complain of discrimination or participate in an EEO investigation. With respect to religion, Title VII prohibits:
  • treating applicants or employees differently based on their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – in any aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring, assignments, discipline, promotion, and benefits (disparate treatment);
  • subjecting employees to harassment because of their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – or because of the religious practices or beliefs of people with whom they associate (e.g., relatives, friends, etc.);
  • denying a requested reasonable accommodation of an applicant’s or employee’s sincerely held religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – if an accommodation will not impose more than a de minimis cost or burden on business operations; 1 and,
  • retaliating against an applicant or employee who has engaged in protected activity, including participation (e.g., filing an EEO charge or testifying as a witness in someone else’s EEO matter), or opposition to religious discrimination (e.g., complaining to human resources department about alleged religious discrimination).
The following questions and answers were adapted from EEOC’s Compliance Manual Section on Religious Discrimination, available at, which contains more detailed guidance, legal citations, case examples, and best practices. It is designed to be a practical resource for employers, employees, practitioners, and EEOC enforcement staff on Title VII’s prohibition against religious discrimination, and provides guidance on how to balance the needs of individuals in a diverse religious climate.[3]

There is no report of statistics by the EEOC that I can find. Even the atheist organization freedom from religion foundation has no quantified statistic that I find on their site. They have a couple of examples becuase they are in court cases. For that matter they show that Chrsitians organizations who have non profit status can't fire atheists for being atheists.  That's a court ruling:

Generally, religious status (including lack of religious affiliation or lack of belief in a god) is a protected class under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This means that when an employer chooses who to hire/fire/promote/demote, the employer may not use religious affiliation as a factor in making that decision. The EEOC does make a limited exception to this general rule for employers at expressly religious places of business, at least when it comes to hiring/firing decisions. The Supreme Court held that this exemption was constitutional in Corp. of Presiding Bishop of Church of LDS v. Amos, 483 U.S. 327 (1987) (upholding exemption for nonprofit activities run by the LDS church). The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently applied this exception in Spencer v. World Vision, — F.3d —, 2010 WL 3293706 (9th Cir. 2010) where it held that a non-profit, faith-based Christian organization fell within the Title VII religious exemption and could therefore fire non-Christian employees. Still, this remains a very narrow exception. See, e.g., EEOC v. Kamehameha Schs., 990 F.2d 458, 461 (9th Cir. 1993) (finding no exception for a religiously affiliated school); EEOC v. Townley, 859 F.2d 610, 619 (9th Cir. 1988) (finding no exemption for a “Christian, faith-operated” commercial company). If the company at issue is not run by a church or other expressly religious, nonprofit organization, chances are that a non-religious person cannot be legally denied a position, fired, demoted or denied a promotion based on religious criteria. If you believe you have experienced such an injustice, contact the EEOC or an attorney specializing in employment law as described in the opening paragraph of this FAQ.[4]
Like the intellect he is he says: "but if i call your religion stupid that is my opinion and i have a right to express it, if it offends you that is not my problem." That's fine except for one thing. you are expressing it on my blog dumb ass!


[1]  "Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union," Wikipedia modified on 27 (January 2014) at 14:31.on line
(accessed 3/9/14).
[2] R.J. Rummel,  "how many did Communist Regiemes murder?" (accessed 3/9/14).
"Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be complete, therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, see my summary Table 1.2 in my Death by Government. For all final estimates, see the summary table in Statistics of Democide"
[3] "Questions and Answers: Religious Discrimination in the work place." EEOC, last modified Jan 30, 2011  accessed 3/9/14.
[4] Sam Grover, State/Chruch Faq,"Religion in the work place," Freedom from Religion Foundation
posted December 2010, website, online resource, (accessed 3/9/14).

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