Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Just when you think "where is my next evidence for hate group atheism coming from..."

All of your advanced theology and "ground of being" mumbo jumbo is just you rationalizing your fear of your own mortality. Your death is coming, as is mine, and that of every living person on this average little planet. If there is an afterlife, which I highly doubt, it is not going to be a teacher's pet award doled out to the biggest ass kissers in the class. 

Well, at least he doesn't have any sour grapes. There is obviously a level of anger here, I also detect a real fear of death on his part. Death doesn't bother me in the least. Atheists who think that religious people are afraid to die are really at wits end to explain why Christians die more bravely than they do. Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. But this gushing hatred toward people who feel they have hope? why this anger at the group that feels it's leader conquered death? It's because despite his protestations he's scared to death to die. He's probably more afraid that there is a God than that there is not one. He thinks that desire for after life is some form of reward seeking (he certainly seems out of joint over God's favor, but doesn't do much to curry it) this is shows a lack of understanding about the search for truth or knowledge of God.



Don't know about you, but I hate those suck ups! 

How can one "suck up" when favor of God is unmerited? It's not based upon being good enough. God loves you right now. As much as you despise God this very moment God loves you that much and more. But how can he say "Ok I'll give in and let you have your way." Would that be right? Maybe your parents did that for you all the time, maybe that's the problem. But how could the king of the universe do it? Say screw what's right and good and screw holiness, little Rex wants to sin and doesn't wan to have to accept God's way, scrap heaven and have Rexland for after life where everyone get's to sin. That might sound group if you are a six year old child, as an adult I think you see some problems with it.


 








They only tell you what they think you want to hear and never a word about what they really think.

Actually I don't think you want to hear any of the things I've said so far, I just think  they are true.

The deceased Pope John Paul II was well on his way to “Sancto subito!”, but OOPS! the "miracle" that he performed by curing a nun of her Parkinson's by laying his hands on her just went out the window, because she is now relapsing! That must be really embarrassing for Pope Nazinger! Now he has to drum up another "miracle" so that JP can have the required two, for sainthood, because after all, that is what the masses want. Maybe they could all get together and chant in Latin, and fondle little boys until one of them thinks of a way for them to get the egg off of their faces. It would have been so much more convenient if she had just died before the relapse, but I guess that "God" works in mysterious ways eh?

Are you really unable to comprehend the obvious hatred dripping off every word of that emotional and childish diatribe? What could possibly justify this sort of raw hate. How is it that when it appears so obviously, hateful, rude, insulting, no atheist can possible comprehend that that's what it is. you watch, comments will range from agreement to "I thought it was funny" No atheist will admit the nose of the face.

11 comments:

Loren said...

I don't see any evidence of any widespread lack of fear of death among afterlife-believers in general, and certainly not heaven-believers in particular.

You don't see lots of people making their last words "See you in Heaven". You don't see lots of Christian leaders pushing for making it easy to have a quick, painless death if one's current body is too much trouble.

According to mind-body dualism, your body is like your car, and dying is like one's car breaking down so badly that it can't be fixed. Would you enjoy being stuck with a car that can barely run?

A Hermit said...

"There is obviously a level of anger here"

How about a link so we can see how many times you called this guy an idiot before he responded with this? The anger I see there is nothing compared to the stuff you've been spewing at Otto and others over on CARM recently...

"What could possibly justify this sort of raw hate..."

Again I'd need a link to help me form an opinion. Maybe he was raped by a priest as a child...would that explain a little anger?

Rex said...

C'mon, it was funny! I am just yanking your chain, and from the looks of it, very effectively!

All of your talk about "sin" and "god" and "heaven" and "Martyrs" and "miracles" have absolutely no effect on me. They are all part of your delusional construct, that you all have because you are hoping that you can cheat death like your "leader".

Good luck with that! I prefer to try to live the best life I can here and now, because here and now is all that we know for sure that we have. That doesn't mean that I seek pleasure by the suffering of others, because obviously, their lives would be negatively affected.

I attack religious inanity because it is the most pernicious scam ever invented by humans. I also think that it does more harm than good in terms of setting up some groups of people as targets of religious discrimination and hate. Homosexuality, abortion, the Catholic Church's preference for disease and unwanted pregnancy over dogmatic decrees against birth control, as well as the current violence between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria(http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1971010,00.html), are just a few examples where religious dogma is increasing human suffering currently.

Believe whatever craziness you want in the privacy of your homes and churches, but public life, including the government is much better off without the craziness of religion trying to make the laws that everyone must follow.

Government and ultimately ALL of the governed are far better served by having all of the decisions made based on facts and logic, instead of someone's interpretation of what their imaginary friend thinks.

That is ultimately why I come to make fun of you, not because I am filled with hate, but because I have a vision of how this world could be better, and people like you are standing in the way.

Metacrock said...

C'mon, it was funny! I am just yanking your chain, and from the looks of it, very effectively!

Yea but I was just holding up my end of the story. Blogs are like professional wrestling. Lot of big talk, "come Monday night I'm gonna put a hurt on you" backstage they are all friends. But the blog wouldn't be as good without you.

All of your talk about "sin" and "god" and "heaven" and "Martyrs" and "miracles" have absolutely no effect on me.

It's kind of short sighted of you to think they are calculated to have an effect on you. They are sort of like a given within the tradition.



They are all part of your delusional construct, that you all have because you are hoping that you can cheat death like your "leader".

You are the one who fears death, and God.

Good luck with that! I prefer to try to live the best life I can here and now, because here and now is all that we know for sure that we have.


I bet I've lived a better life than you. I bet the Christians I know who I admire have lived a lot more bravely than you.

You are afraid to seek, you are afraid to think, you want to hide behind the brain washed ideology of a hate group.


That doesn't mean that I seek pleasure by the suffering of others, because obviously, their lives would be negatively affected.

Not sure why you are saying that. Why is that even in the picture?


I attack religious inanity because it is the most pernicious scam ever invented by humans.

It can be. I just don't how you have anything to replace it with. I was an atheist. i was a better atheist than you. atheism is a scam. your logic is a lie and non existent really, and everything is double talk and duplicity.


I also think that it does more harm than good in terms of setting up some groups of people as targets of religious discrimination and hate.

then stop doing it.



Homosexuality,

complex subject, on the one hand not all Christian are opposed to gays and not all even believe it's a sin. Among those who do many feel it's wrong to treat anyone badly.

you can't deny the good the chruch has done. but you don't see it or think about it. It was Christians who stopped slavery and Christians who ran the civil rights movement and atheists made excuses to support slavery.



abortion, the Catholic Church's preference for disease and unwanted pregnancy over dogmatic decrees against birth control, as well as the current violence between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria(http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1971010,00.html), are just a few examples where religious dogma is increasing human suffering currently.

Believe whatever craziness you want in the privacy of your homes and churches, but public life, including the government is much better off without the craziness of religion trying to make the laws that everyone must follow.

Government and ultimately ALL of the governed are far better served by having all of the decisions made based on facts and logic, instead of someone's interpretation of what their imaginary friend thinks.

that's silly. you have to be really shallow dense or very young to buy that. That's stupid. Everyone thinks they do that now and there is no nothing in Christianity that privets working form facts, and its super easy to use that as an excuse to do all kinds of bad things.

you must be extremely ignorant of how the world works.


That is ultimately why I come to make fun of you, not because I am filled with hate, but because I have a vision of how this world could be better, and people like you are standing in the way.

too bad you don't understand that all young men find that same idea at some point and have to learn the hard way you dumb it is. you can only learn that by living and see how duplicitous all people are.

come Monday night, I'm gonna put a hurt on you!

Metacrock said...

that's so stupid hermit. you are so blind. It just is invisible to your eyes what they say to me.

you prove every singe time that atheists are blind, selfish, stupid totally unwilling to ever consider their faults and mistakes and totally vengeful and unable to think logically or argue fairly.

this thing of Rex's is what there is. this was not on carm this is here. What there is of it you saw.

Metacrock said...

I don't see any evidence of any widespread lack of fear of death among afterlife-believers in general, and certainly not heaven-believers in particular.

you are not looking are you? you don't have any data! Actually many of the studies that examine RE show that those who have mystical experiences lose fear of death.
The fact that people who have RE are less depressed, more positive about life and more hopeful and less mental illness shows that they have more confidence and security.


You don't see lots of people making their last words "See you in Heaven".

come now! you see that all the time. every single funeral of a Christian people say stuff like that. Don't be obtuse.


You don't see lots of Christian leaders pushing for making it easy to have a quick, painless death if one's current body is too much trouble.


Now you are begin obtuse. you know full well that Christians consider suicide and euthanasia to be wrong. We don't believe we own our lives and it's up to God to end them not us. so that's silly try and use that belief as an argument that we are afraid of death. that's stupid.

why are athestis so shallow! why are you so unlearned!


According to mind-body dualism, your body is like your car, and dying is like one's car breaking down so badly that it can't be fixed. Would you enjoy being stuck with a car that can barely run?

arguing from stereo types. you make the ignorant assumption that Christianity is into mind body dualism. there is some of that haning on the from the
Greeks, but Christianity is rooted in Judaism was not into mind/body dualism.

you can't predict from the outline fo a philosophical position how people who adhere to it should come to regard it in terms of some pragmatic issue like death. That's a super naive approach. That's as ignorant as Francis Shaffer trying to use art as a barometer of beliefs in the culture.

A Hermit said...

"this thing of Rex's is what there is. this was not on carm this is here. What there is of it you saw."

I didn't see any of it anywhere; that's why I'm asking for a link. You have a long history of attacking people, provoking fights and then running over here to cry about the mean old atheists when they respond angrily to your abuse, so I'm just naturally skeptical about this one, too.

It's silly for someone who exhibits as much anger as you do to be whining about other people's anger.

Loren said...

Meta: Actually many of the studies that examine RE show that those who have mystical experiences lose fear of death.
Seems like a psychological quirk, if the result isn't wishful-thinking data selection. In any case, that does not prove that our consciousness will survive the death of our bodies.

Me earlier: You don't see lots of people making their last words "See you in Heaven".

Meta: come now! you see that all the time. every single funeral of a Christian people say stuff like that. Don't be obtuse.

Like what? From the way that many people act in funerals, one would think that the Dear Departed is now kaput, if not in "a worse place", a much, much, much worse place. Hell. Eternal damnation.

Metacrock, I know that you don't believe in Hell, but it's the traditional, orthodox belief.

Me earlier: You don't see lots of Christian leaders pushing for making it easy to have a quick, painless death if one's current body is too much trouble.

Meta: Now you are begin obtuse. you know full well that Christians consider suicide and euthanasia to be wrong. We don't believe we own our lives and it's up to God to end them not us. so that's silly try and use that belief as an argument that we are afraid of death. that's stupid.

That argument presumes that we will be totally kaput after death, that our consciousness will not survive the death of our bodies. If it will survive, then suicide is disposing of a body that one does not want anymore. So are you saying that we are stuck with whatever body we have whether we like it or not?

(mind-body dualism...)

Meta: you make the ignorant assumption that Christianity is into mind body dualism.

However, what you have repeatedly argued is something hard to distinguish from mind-body dualism.

Metacrock said...

Meta: Actually many of the studies that examine RE show that those who have mystical experiences lose fear of death.

Loren:
Seems like a psychological quirk, if the result isn't wishful-thinking data selection. In any case, that does not prove that our consciousness will survive the death of our bodies.

I didn't offer as proof of that. you are shifting the argument. you had made the argument that Christians fear death and that belief in after life is such a fear. This is disproves that assertion.

Me earlier: You don't see lots of people making their last words "See you in Heaven".

Meta: come now! you see that all the time. every single funeral of a Christian people say stuff like that. Don't be obtuse.

Like what? From the way that many people act in funerals, one would think that the Dear Departed is now kaput, if not in "a worse place", a much, much, much worse place. Hell. Eternal damnation.

that's anecdotal. But you don't got to funerals of people form churches I go to. you went to sad sack chruch where no one believe. go to real chruch where people know Jesus very different.

Metacrock, I know that you don't believe in Hell, but it's the traditional, orthodox belief.

so what? we are arguing about what's true not what's popular.

Me earlier: You don't see lots of Christian leaders pushing for making it easy to have a quick, painless death if one's current body is too much trouble.

Meta: Now you are begin obtuse. you know full well that Christians consider suicide and euthanasia to be wrong. We don't believe we own our lives and it's up to God to end them not us. so that's silly try and use that belief as an argument that we are afraid of death. that's stupid.

That argument presumes that we will be totally kaput after death, that our consciousness will not survive the death of our bodies.


are you nuts? the argument assumes we will survive death and be punished for making wrong choices: we are explaining the behavior of Christians remember? They believe you go to hell for suicide, see?


If it will survive, then suicide is disposing of a body that one does not want anymore. So are you saying that we are stuck with whatever body we have whether we like it or not?

ahahahahah this is show so clearly how pathetic atheist reasoning is. if that's reallyk your level of understanding you are in bad shape. why can't you understnd the concept. Sucidie mean go to hell. can't you figuer that out?

what is so hard about that?


(mind-body dualism...)

Meta: you make the ignorant assumption that Christianity is into mind body dualism.

However, what you have repeatedly argued is something hard to distinguish from mind-body dualism.


I don't think you really understand the concept. I have talking about the beliefs of the majority of Christians, not my own beliefs, for one thing.

I don't think you would know mind body dualism if it bit you. Just believing that there's life after death is not mind/body daluilsm.

Metacrock said...

Here is a definition of mind/body dualism:

all about philosophy: Mind body dualism:


What is mind body dualism?

"Mind body dualism is the concept that the mind and body are separate entities and therefore are not one and the same. This is the only concept of dualism regardless of whether it is called mind body dualism, Cartesian dualism or substance dualism. The alternative concept is called physicalism. It holds that the mind and body are the same and are strictly material rather than supernatural. A belief in physicalism requires that we deny the existence of things like sensations, thoughts, emotions, desires, beliefs, and free choice since materials themselves do not have these type of properties.

Mind body dualism is consistent with biblical beliefs. The ancient Scriptures taught that man was created with a body and soul, whereas the philosophy of dualism teaches the difference between brain (matter) and mind (soul).

Alternatively, physicalism is consistent with materialism and evolutionism that are the foundations for secular humanism."

I disagree with this definition.

Metacrock said...

if that's a good understanding of mind body dualism then I guess I'm a mind/body dualist. But I don't think it is. I don't think Cartesian dualism is the only way to believe in life after death. That understanding is conditioned by Greeks and then by Descartes and doesn't know about Hebrew thought.

In the OT the Hebrews did not see the body as a vessel and the mind the true self. They saw a unity between mind and body. that's why there's this notion of a resurrection body. OF cousre after itself wasn't that big in ancient Hebrew thinking. But they did not have the idea that your body isn't you and your mind is the true you. They understood identity to include both mind and body.