Sunday, December 6, 2009

The "God Hates you hate him back" Guy Discovered my Article

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Atheist intellectual conduct seminar on religion and society


The Blog is called "Rationalist Blog" I think he's the one who did the book God Hates you, Hate Him back, but i"m not sure. But his blog has a big banner that says it. It appears to be him, C.J. Werleman.

This is such a profound intellectual book, it's on the level of some of Jack Webb's best rants on DragNet 1967, and his logic is about on a par with Webb's as well. Here are some of the most superficial reasons to think religion is addictive I've ever seen. These are up there with "90% of heroine addicts started with Pot, therefore, Pot causes heroine addiction.

your arguments are ludicrous.


Werelman
1. “Religion is the opiate of the masses” -Karl Marx


Meta:>>>proves nothing, Marx was a jerk


Werelman
2. All children are born atheists, thus religion is indoctrinated/socialized into you. Just as no children are born drug addicts. (not withstanding ‘crack babies’)


Meta:>>>that’s silly, we have innate ideas of God. that’s what the God part of the brain proves. We have the idea of God hard wired into our brains, therefore, we are not born atheists we are born believers. It doesn’t make any difference if you need socialization to teach it that doesn’t prove it’s a drug, you need socialization to become a drug addicts. that’s why addcis are a “sub culture” that’s what sub cultures are, counter socialization.


Werelman
3. Drugs help you escape from reality. Drugs dupe users into escaping the harsh realities of dealing with everyday life. Similarly religion will make its users believe they can transcend reality i.e. without wings, or as recommended by Jesus – handle snakes, and/or drink poison. I know smack addicts that have the same delusions.


Meta>>>Of course its’ just your little mad up opinion based upon ignorance that God isn’t real. Real thinkers and smart know he is. Therefore, youa re argumetn is jsut another stupid assertion.

you can’t account for the innate ideas of God that proved by the “God part of the Brain.” That is a good reason to believe there is a God. your argument is begging the question.

that has nothing to do with proving addiction anyway.


Werelman

4. Drug addicts often show signs of schizophrenic and delusional behavior, including talking to themselves. How is this different to prayer?


Meta:>>>(1) you have no study to back that up. I’ve never heard that and it’s not proved and you offer no evidence to confirm it.

(2) you are begging the question because it’s just your opinion that belief in God is tha way

(3) at leas 12 studies prove there is no relation between religious experience and mental illness.

(4) you can’t link drug addiction to mental illness anyway.

(5) if you could it would just be an argument from sign. you don’t have a causal mechanism.


Werelman
5. Drug addicts are often incoherent when high. Take a visit to any evangelical church and watch that congregation speak in tongues and thus complete babble.


>>>that is nothing but ignorant mockery. speaking in tongues is not the same as incoherence. Anyone speaking in tongues can stop doing it and talk rational instantly. Its not something that comes over you that you can’t control. I can speak in tongues and work hard math problems at the same time. It’s something one chooses to do, it’s not an epileptic fit.


Wereleman
6. Like a drug, the intoxicating effects of religion cannot last forever. Questions of faith begin to creep in. Questions regarding the suspension of natural laws begin to seep in..Thus the faithful have to increase the religious dose to stay high, to ward off contradictions, absurdities, and inconsistincies.


Meta>>>that is not a proof that it’s addictive. you can spin it that way or you could say doubt in any proposition occurs to anyone at any time and they need to re think or hear the answer. you can define haring answers as getting a fix. you are merely twisting the fact to suit a superficial case that you can’t back up with any kind of data or any kind of support. You have no studies, you haven no scientific proof of any kind that supports your raving.

you are doing nothing but mocking and ridiculing things that are over your head.


Werelman
7. Religion, like a drug, has a tendency to steal your life. A voluntary trade: accept the lies and illusions in return for mind numbing escape. Addictive traits.


Meta>>>that is clearly and obviously just your emtonal hateful opinion. 300 empirical studies say you are wrong! The stuidies done by psychologists not by preachers, not by christian, non christain shrinks, show you are wrong! Religious belief is good for you, it makes your life better, it makes your mind better. Religous believers who have experiences of God’s presence are much less likely to experience depression than are unbelievers. Religious experience people are much less likely to be mentally ill than are unbelievers, that is an established fact by 300 empirical studies..

Werelman
8. Religious fundamentalists, particularly those that convert as adults i.e new born Christians, in more instances than not – lose their old friends. Meth addicts lose their friends because of the constant requests to borrow money, and skittish behavior. Evangelicals tend to lose their old buddies because we tire of the constant evangelizing. And ultimately drug addicts prefer the company of their own, as do fundamentalists with their own flock.


Meta>>>very stupid and shallow argument from sign. you might as well said 98% of all heroin addicts drink milk as babies, therefore, milk causes heroine addiction.

you actually don’t have any data to back up your assertion about converts losing friends. some do some don’t, you are really quite shallow.

Werelman
9. Religious need their ‘hits’. Sunday Church.


Meta>>>atheist need hits by mocking Christians on message boards.

This guy is a real obvious proof of hate group atheism. His blog is on the puerile level of name calilng. He writes about things like why Obama is really an atheist (basically "I like Obama therefoer he must believe like I do). Ten reasons why Jesus sucked at sports, and so on. this is nothing moer than a third grader writing on bathroom walls.

If you hate God how do you feel about who believe in God? This guy doesn't have enough mental maturity to distinguish between hating God and hating people who believe in God.

8 comments:

Jake said...

Metacrock, you ask for sources, but claim that we're all born believers without siting any supporting evidence.

Your argument is bereft of logical though. We humans aren't even capable of concentric thought until about 20 months in to our life, so claiming that there is some inate or inherrent belief of god is ludicrous.

Furthermore, we are all atheists of some form. Christians are hindu atheists, Hindus are Muslim atheists, and I am an everything atheist. We all know what it is like to no believe in a certain doctrine, so the fact that we are not all born as omnireligious or polyreligious nutbags, suggests that belief is part of the indoctrination process.

Marx was a jerk, and a bigot, but he was right. Many people believe because they fear that without their religion or more specifically, their god, they have no reason to live. To further this belief, many Christians, especially Fundamentalists, often tell me that as an atheist, I have no reason to be moral, that without God, I have no reason not to murder, rape or pillage. Obviously, that is ludicrous, but it just goes to show that you should spend more time researching your claims before you post them...

Hugs and kisses blowhard!

Metacrock said...

We all know what it is like to no believe in a certain doctrine, so the fact that we are not all born as omnireligious or polyreligious nutbags, suggests that belief is part of the indoctrination process.


that's stupid. you think that because you don't have the brains to think through what religion is really is. if what you are saying is true why do we have to learn math? If math is true then we should just know it all right? why do we have to be indoctrinated into the ideology of mathematics?

could it be that some try thing really require more learning and study than others? who says knowledge of God doesn't necessarily require thought?


Marx was a jerk, and a bigot, but he was right. Many people believe because they fear that without their religion or more specifically, their god, they have no reason to live. To further this belief, many Christians,


you have no data to prove. I I sited data that disproves it. your only evidence is your little hateful opinion, you want religion be bad because you hate it and that takes the place of evidence in your warped little ideology.



especially Fundamentalists, often tell me that as an atheist, I have no reason to be moral, that without God, I have no reason not to murder, rape or pillage.


you have not the slighest idea what fundamentalism is or what the difference in it and liberalism is. you are treat all religion as Christian fundamentalism.

If I was a Muslim if I were a Hindu I would be rabidly anti atheist and i would fight you to the death because atheism sux, it's evil, it's shit, it's death to learning and thinking, it' the most despicable lie and the most evil ideology ever put on the earth, it makes Nazism look good.



Obviously, that is ludicrous, but it just goes to show that you should spend more time researching your claims before you post them...


you are not moral. you are full of hate. you are attacking me with rabid hatred for basically no reason. I told the truth and proved it scientific evidence and you have none. you have no evidence to back up your lies and yet you are totally convinced you are right based only and entirely upon your hatred for Christianity.

Like the KKK or a skin head, you can't think you have no basis for your views it's all personal but expect everyone to accept your personal hatred as the guiding light.

Metacrock said...

there is no scientific evidence that religion is addiction.you know there is none. The one and only thing you have to back that up is our hatred. that' all you got. I have 300 studies that say you are full of crap and you don't have one. no not one!

you don't have any proof, and you know you don't!

Rex said...

Wow dude! Just wow!

I am happy to read your blog for a couple of reasons. One is that, your blog lets me see how the bible thumpers roll, and as if that isn't funny enough, I get to see just how screwed up and flawed your logic always is. Maybe you should spend more time thinking about cause and effect and less about gawd, because...... dude, you're scaring the normals!

But the best part I like about reading your blog is that if you are the best thinker that the gawd team has to offer, then the infidels should be able to make short work of changing the things about society that we find offensive.

Suggestion: Be nice or all of your gawd outlets will be taxed just like every other business.

Metacrock said...

Metacrock, you ask for sources, but claim that we're all born believers without siting any supporting evidence.

Meta:Is this the first time that you opinion has ever been challenged? you seem so broken up about it. I can site source of course unlike you I don't base my opinions on hatred.

see the book Why God Wont Go Away. That book proves it.




Your argument is bereft of logical though. We humans aren't even capable of concentric thought until about 20 months in to our life, so claiming that there is some inate or inherrent belief of god is ludicrous.

Meta:that's not a matter of logic dildo that's a matter of empirical data. The data can be wrong, there's no law in logic that says you are opinion on that has to be right.

the argument is that since innate ideas are supposed scientifically wrong and yet they obviously exist in this case, then it must be due to God. don't beg the question like a foolish little atheist answer the argument don't try to privilege your position with bigoted opinion.


Furthermore, we are all atheists of some form.

Meta:that is an utterly stupid cliche and it's the kind of stupidity I'm trying wipe out of the world. Its' stupid because it's based upon not understanding what belief in God is.



Christians are hindu atheists, Hindus are Muslim atheists, and I am an everything atheist.

Meta:No they are not. IT's a very basic mistake and it shows why atheists re not very bright.


atheist means there is no God at all of any kind. The only difference in Hindu and Christian and Muslim is not belief in some kind of God but belief in what God wants of us. that's all. that's the only difference.

modern liberal Hindus believe that all their little gods are one big God and that one big God is energy. All religious believers believe in some from of God, one God that stands behind everything. That's either addition to smaller unimportant gods, or as an amalgam. So the only real question is what does God really want, not which god is it?


December 6, 2009 6:44 PM

Metacrock said...

Rex . you think I'm bible thumper. what anyone can go to my web site and see that I'm not an inerrantist. You can clearly and plenty see that I have four page section on why there's no such thing as hell, does a "Bible thumped" say that?

you can clearly see my article where I take Bultmann over Carl Henry does a "Bible thumped" like Bultmann?

O forget you are too uneducated in theology to know what Bultmann was aren't' you?

Loren said...

Metacrock, it may surprise you to learn that there are people who consider themselves Hindu atheists -- atheists who are Hindus in some cultural sense.

Furthermore, some forms of philosophical Buddhism and Taoism may be described as atheist.

And claiming that atheism is worse than Nazism -- that's Godwin territory.

Metacrock said...

Metacrock, it may surprise you to learn that there are people who consider themselves Hindu atheists -- atheists who are Hindus in some cultural sense.

Furthermore, some forms of philosophical Buddhism and Taoism may be described as atheist.

And claiming that atheism is worse than Nazism -- that's Godwin territory.


that has nothing to do with what he's saying. He is saying tha all Christians are atheists from the standpoint of a Hindu and that is not the case.

you can torture the word until everyone int he world can be called an atheist, but that has nothing do with the ideological hate group that I"m dealing with