Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stupid Atheist Trick of the day: Help meet

Arguing about Genesis as "sexist" an atheist on CARM (Dark Lady) said that by assigning woman to be "helper" he was creating her to be second place. I pointed out that this word is used of God several hunkered times in the OT so it can't be mean side kick or subordinate. It imply a stinger figure to whom a weaker figure looks.

Help Meet

Some try to use the phrase "help meet" as the basis for female submission. There is nothing about this term that implies submission: the term is "ezer" and it baiscally means "succor" "aid" "help" "to strengthen." From an on line version of Driver and Briggs as well as Vines Hebrew lexicon we see that this word is used of God in the psalms, and in other ensconces where the "ezer" was greater or more important or stronger than the one being helped.

Translated word: Ezer; help, soccer, support

Pslams20:2 "Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;"

Ps 33:20 "Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield."

Ps 70:5 "But I am poor and needy: make haste unto me, O God: thou art my help and my deliverer; O LORD, make no tarrying."

Ps 89:19 "Then Thu spikiest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people."

Ps 115:9 "O Israel, trust thou in the LORD: he is their help and their shield."

Ps 115:10 "O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield."

Ps 115:11 "Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield."

Ps 121:1 "I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Ps 121:2 "My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth."

Ps 124:8 "Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth."

Ps 146:5 "Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God."

In all of these verses God is the help.This is the very same word translated "help meet" in Gensis the second chapter. One can see that it is nota word which denotes any sort of submissive or subservient position. The only other major claim is that submission was the consequence of the fall, a curse put upon woman for sinning and eating the fruit. Let's examine that idea on page 2.

In their cunning enginuity, never give up dought if there is breath left in the body. they found a way to try and continue the line of doubt:

Originally Posted by nmanning View Post
The phrase "help meet" shows up 4 times in the KJV of the bible.

Yet nowhere is this odd phrase defined.


Were the bible writers ignorant of what it meant? Were they trying to hide something?

Was it just made up?

It seems that an "help meet" was a pretty important thing - Yahweh made the animals and then paraded them before the man made of dirt for him to choose from, yet nowhere is "help meet" defined.

Something seems fishy...

 It's totally odd the things these people come up with. why didn't they define a word that was part of their language and they knew the meaning/ doesn't kind of assume they knew about us reading their words 3000 years latter?

that would have to assume they knew about English and understood how "help" would throw us off.
How often do we define every term we use?

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