Thursday, June 28, 2012

The Atheist Party Line: It's Organization and Movement

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It's so amusing! I tell atheists "you are in a movement." They react like I've said "you are child molesters." O we are not either no no no not a movement O ononononn! never!

they steadfast everyone every single time recite that party line, it's just the absence of a belief. It doesn't dawn on them:

(1) you are angry because I say it's a movement.

the anger is palpable. Why should it make them angry that I say they have a movement? I say I have a movement. I've been in movements all my life. i was in the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement (2 different wars--two different movements) and many others. I don't care. it doesn't make me angry to say I am in a movement. i don't even are if they say Christianity is a movement. I as in a movement and it had an ideology (communism) I was a commie!

I know what movements look like. I know what ideology looks like. I have trained all my life to spot this. I've been in movements, been a communist, (the paradigm of all movements and father of all ideologies) and I'm a historian of ideas. I was also an atheist. I know a movement when I see one. I also know that' it's not normal for people to become angry when you say they are in a movement. Why would they ? Atheists react as though I've said they are drugs addicts or soemthing.


(2) they all give the same answer

they all answer in exactly the same way. they never very there's no individuality. Its' always "the absence of any god or gods." There's never any individualist variation as though they have all read the same thing and all been told to say this phrase. I know they have probalby been told to say the phrase, but somehow in the way they process the information when they convence themselves to follow this movement they just learn it by wrote like the phrase really matters.

I am still looking fo all this individuality they claim to have. I can't find it. I see them saying the same things and marching in lock step. last week I had a hesitation where atheists would not admit that appeal to popularity was wrong. some of them even warned to say it wasn't wrong unless was in favor of Christianity. One of them argued form popularity saying that I could not right becuase I'm a member of a tiny minority (the minority being people with my exact outlook thus confessing the idea of group membership with the opinion one holds).



Isn't a dead give away, think about it. They actually believe that if you hold single idea differently from the group you are in a different group. Then on what basis can they claim that atheist are all different and that they have individualist opinions? As if that isn't frighting enough, they would not bring themselves to denounce argument from popularity, but then actually tried to say that I had argued that! They tried to attribute their comrade's statement to me! Now is that for confused?

I've demonstrate that its' a movement and only an idiot could fail to see it. I've shown that they have a concerted effort for court cases involving 30 major law suits (which would cost millions, who is paying for it)? They have a vast propaganda machine. They work on the destruction of Christian academic credibility at the expense of academic learning. They have a vast propaganda organziation in the form of several publications, think tanks and a scam pretending to be a convocations of schoalrs who are actually just Jesus mythers with no real academic standing.


Freedom From Religion Foundation:
  • Won the first federal lawsuit challenging direct funding by the government of a faith-based agency
  • Overturned a state Good Friday holiday
  • Won a lawsuit barring direct taxpayer subsidy of religious schools
  • Removed Ten Commandments monuments from public lands
  • Ended bible instruction in public schools after 51 year practice
  • Halted prayer at public institutions
  • Stopped direct subsidy to religious schools
  • Ended commencement prayers at a Top Ten University after 122 years of practice
  • Ended distribution of Gideon bibles in public schools.
  • Brought nearly 30 First Amendment lawsuits since 1977, and keeps several Establishment law challenges in the courts at all times.
<http://www.ffrf.org/legal> (18 Feb. 2007).
Approach Used to Spread Agenda
  • Files lawsuits!
  • Publishes Freethought Today
  • Sponsors annual high school and college atheist based essay competitions with cash awards
  • Conducts, annual national conventions, honoring the "Freethinker of the Year" for state/church activism, a "Freethought Heroine" and student activists
  • Bestows "The Emperor Has No Clothes" Award to public figures for their criticism of religion
  • Promotes freedom from religion with educational products, bumperstickers, music CDs, winter solstice greeting cards and literature
  • Publishes useful atheist books
  • Provides speakers for events and debates
  • Established a freethought book collection at the University of Wisconsin Memorial Library as well as a 2,000-volume office collection

OTHER SUCCESSES

Who has time to work on this? All of these struggle take big money and big legal talent. These are not things pulled off by a diverse group who share nothing more than the lack of a belief. This is clearly a vast political organization it has to be.

10 comments:

Grundy said...

You could argue that "New Atheism" specifically is a movement. Atheism is just a lack of belief in any gods or a belief that there is no god (depending on how you define it.) Either way, it's not a movement any more than theism is a movement.

sptrfn said...

I read a part of that before. That was on your On the Baracades site.

I especially like the part that you posted on there about the "Jesus Project". They thought they could do the Jesus Seminar one better. Who were Richard Carrier and his moronic cronies trying to kid?

Metacrock said...
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Metacrock said...

Blogger Grundy said...

You could argue that "New Atheism" specifically is a movement. Atheism is just a lack of belief in any gods or a belief that there is no god (depending on how you define it.) Either way, it's not a movement any more than theism is a movement.

Atheistwatch is not predicated on the idea that all of atheism is a movement. I used to say this up front all the time until atheist started telling me it did no good, I used to always say "not all of atheism is a hate group but there's a hate group in it."

you can call that movement "new atheism" it's so obviuosly a movement but they will never admit it.

Metacrock said...

spirfn
I read a part of that before. That was on your On the Baracades site.

I especially like the part that you posted on there about the "Jesus Project". They thought they could do the Jesus Seminar one better. Who were Richard Carrier and his moronic cronies trying to kid?"

Carrier is a wired guy. He and I and I tangled years ago on the sec web. We were both doctoral candidates then. He kept Memling me privately and saying friendly sounding stuff then posting on the board telling me how stupid I am.

Of course the way I tell it I kicked his ass,I'm sure he wouldn't see it that way.

Metacrock said...

that should ay e-mailing me privately.

Metacrock said...

hey sptrfn you said... you saw that on on the barricades! so you are the guy who's been reading that. good to know!

Metacrock said...

sptfn I deleted your post becuase you said not to post the second paragraph and I didn't want to edit your stuff.

OldAtheist said...

Having tried to organize atheist groups, 'atheist movement' strikes me as way over bold. There are a few groups with combined budget and membership less than one large evangelical church. A few celebs also mouth a simplistic idea of atheism.
Atheists need a 'movement' that's more than a few groups seeking publicity to raise funds and membership. That seems unlikely when there are at least as many ideas about atheism as there are atheists.

Metacrock said...

Well Old Atheist you are not well connected. That doesn't mean there aren't connections to be had. I show 50 major legislative and litigate initiatives that takes big money. Atheist in every English speaking country all over the world and US do bill boards at Christmas.

Magazines and seminars that's all money and someone is paying for it.