Default Responses for Metacrock
http://atheistwatch.blogspot.com/201...-asked-to.html
I noticed that you took some of my posts and responded to them on your blog. I'm going to respond to them here; I think you deserve a response since you took the time to make sure that the posts you took were displayed in context and that you didn't do anything like try to misrepresent what I was saying (see, sarcasm doesn't translate well into text).
the first atheist answer on the htread "what If I said atheism is eivl." is this:
No, I'd ask why you thought there was some sort of unifying belief shared among people who don't believe in gods.
refuses to even answer the question.
I didn't refuse to answer the question, I just answered a different one first.
You asked several questions in that OP. The one my initial response was aimed at was "Would you say 'this is wrong?'" And I eventually did address your hate speech question.
So, you think that the best way to get certain atheists to make sweeping, defamatory statements about Christians is to make sweeping, defamatory statements against atheists? Do you think it's working?
that's trying to turn the slander upon the one who seeks to stop slander.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that whenever you make your spite-filled posts attacking atheists, you're doing it as some part of a larger object lesson to show that it sucks when people do that. You do it far too often for me to think that you don't mean it.
And if you actually don't mean it, and if you really are trying to make a point and care that we get it, I'm going to recommend that you reconsider your strategy because right now it just makes you look like a hypocrite.
that's in response to "why don't you denounce hate speech?" When I say atheist are making hate speech and it's odd that not one of them can denounce it they say this stuffs bout "defamatory statements" and even though they started it with the "Christianity is evil" thread, they blame me as though I started by saying my attempts at getting them to denounce hate speech are really attempts to make them utter more of it!
No, that was not in response to "why don't you denounce hate speech?" That was in response to you claiming that the only reason you make those defamatory comments is because you desire to "motivate" people. And I'm still wondering, have all of the defamatory statements you've made about atheists been a part of this desire to "motivate" people, and do you think it's working?
(1) that you are brain washe
(2) that atheism is ideoloyg
(3) atheism is a hate group
I'll stand behind those that is what I believe, is that as bad as saying "atheism is evil?" I don't think so. It think those are valid criticisms and I've proved them over the years, many times. I show the definition how they match atheist behavior on message boards all the time. I've proved this over and over. the truth is slander.
I have not made a blanket statement "all atheists evil." like your comrade did. I say some are some aren't. I've pointed out many many times that it's a segment of atheism not all atheists. It's only within the last months I dropped the qualifying statements because atheists told me they don't accomplish anything. They don't appreciate them they want it to be all or nothing. so so its' all.
Does anyone understand these idiots? why would my attempt to get them to denounce hate speech be an attempt to make them utter more?
that's what I said on my blog. you don't have a right to put it over here. I didn't' put it here because I don't want to get banned it. you don't have a right to bring it over here. I've seen other stuff atheists from this board say on other board I don't' post them here in an attempt to get them banned.
he actually apologized for this in his response to this post.
I've explained this. It's because you've made so many of these comments in the past that it's hard to believe that they were all a part of some grand plan to "give us a taste of our own medicine" rather than something you actually meant.
then ther's this both by Valhekai
I thought about that, it could be hypocritical of me because I'm putting his stuff here. The difference is I'm going to ban him. I'm not going to get him banned over there. He could get me banned by putting it there so it's not fair. I'm not going to ban him here and I"m not going to do anything to get him banned over there. So that part was unfair, but as I say he apologized. so its' cool.
How can it not reflect on me if I call myself an atheist? I define "atheism" as "not having a belief in gods." Most definitions I hear are on par that (except for those who insist that it means "someone who believes that gods don't exist"). If you're going to cast atheism as an ideology, you're adding to the generally accepted definition, and when you do that, you're just begging for communication difficulties.
that's a real fallacy to think that defining atheism as just the absence of belief keeps from having an ideology. This is a reality that most modern thinkers understand it goes to Derrida. When you make an absence in something absence becomes a presence. The absence of belief in God takes on life of its own and becomes a shared belief through argument, practice and sloganism and propaganda.
So, tell me, what are the tenants of this atheist ideology? If I disagree with them, I must not be an atheist in your eyes, so what would that make me?
(2) any bad thin done by any Christian becomes the guilt of all Christians, but anything an atheist does is just that individual's action.
(3) there is no such thing as a true Christian, all Christians are evil all Christianity is brain wshign.
(4) atheism is feeling form the evil chains of darkness and superstition in religion
(5) science is the only form of knowledge and the only thing that can be trusted to give us positive knowledge
(6) atheism is just the absence of belief in God, so atheists can't be collectively guilty the way Christians can be.
(7) no truth, no morality, no over arching meaning of the universe
you will deny all of this but anyone with half a brain can see it's said by atheist every single day on a thousand message boards all over the net. you deny there's an ideology but you act exactly like brain washed lackeys, saying the same things in the same phrases all the time.
Yea that's really important there. should have thought of that before you starting calling Christians evil.
I dare you to find one post where I've called Christians evil.
"Sot the totally reaosnable position of "we should denounce hate speech" enrages them agaisnt me. They equate my saying they have an ideology with hate speech but saying that Christianity is evil is not hate speech-- hu?"
No, what "enrages us against you" is that you're just as guilty, if not more, of making blanket comments that you now characterize as "hate speech."
someone up a thread "Christianity is eivl." this is typical for you way you cover for each other. some will stop in and say I didn't say that'" and then defend like it's not a bad thing but you can always fall back on "hey it wasn't my thread." while the guy that did say it is long gone. It's a big game and we all know it. we all get it we all see it. all Christians know these things. anyone who has been on message boards knows I'm saying the truth. any Christian who has gotten mocking ridicule treatment by atheists knows I'm right. you are not fooling us.
these are the things we saying behind closed doors.
which?And I don't equate your saying that we have an ideology as hate speech. I thought that post of mine you quoted was rather straightforward, and I really wish that you would give a straightforward response.
What's going on there is obvious. All the atheists on that board, even the reasonable ones. hate Christianity and want to destroy it and can't bring themselves to disassociate with the idea that Christianity is evil; even when they know its wrong. they are outraged by pointing out that they have an ideology becasue part of their ideology is that they don't have one, and they feel they are betraying the brain washing if they admit they do. They turn the attention to personal against any critic because they have no honor and that's the way they think. Anyone who is not in the ideology if the evil outsider. Any religious person is par to of the great evil they see themselves valiantly standing up to.
Their struggle is so valiant it justifies bulling, slander, lies, person insults, mocking, ridicule, hate speech ect ect.
This is nonsense. My entire family, all of them, on both sides, are Christians. I don't think they're evil. I don't mock and ridicule them. Most of my friends are Christians. I don't think they are evil or mock them. What you are saying here is simply not true.
Ok first of all I was heartened that he actually went to the trouble to respond. I also see that he has his own issues that should be mindful of, such as not understanding certain approaches I take or not trusting my motives. He responded to this post in a somewhat favorable as as though he's willing to consider that I might be sincere. I responded to him extending the possibility of friendship or at least understanding, he reciprocated. So he has a standing invite to come to my boards and I will regard him as a friend.
Moral: it takes two sides to make a squabble. both sides usually have their own justification, we should give each other a break, communication is possible.
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