If I remember my attempted brainwashing properly, then all you have to do is to regurgitate something similar to this prayer:
"Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen."
And then, if you really really really mean it, for reals with no finger crossies, Then presto! Miraculously, you are now a Christian!
If you believe in Jesus,
If you believe that he is god,
If you believe that he was resurrected,
If you believe that he dies for your sins,
Then, you are a Christian.
Please notice that he has not said a single thing about any issue I raised. No one single word. But he does do us the favor of saying a lot of hateful twadle that shows us where his head is at.
here is some of it:
"And when you do zany, wacky, crazy shit afterward, you are still a Christian. You get to speak and be judged as a Christian. It remains true even when people want no part of being identified with you."
he's so disingenuous he can't allow people to disagree with his ideology, the atheist ideology says there can only be one idea in the world and atheism is it, the little hate reductionist mocking ridicule fear of other ideas is the only idea that can exist and any attempt to talk about other things must be stamper out by hateful mocking and ridicule. this is what he does because he's a little brain washed mention of the hate group.
"Scott Roeder, (George Tiller's "accused" killer) is a Christian, as is Mark Sanford, Tony Alamo, Ted Haggard, and the current idiot of the week, Pat Robertson. In addition, our beloved ex Nazi pope, the most powerful Christian on the planet, is more concerned with people having unprotected sex than he is concerned with people DYING from having unprotected sex."
where does this little vicious bully get off calling the pope a Nazi? do you really think coward doesn't long to murder Christians look what he's doing? he's just livid tha someone is in disagreement with with his fallacious argument of guilt by association. why is it so important to him that the enemies of his little putrid ideology be labeled as evil murderers? doesn't long to murder them? obviously he does.
Notice how the only the Christian thinkers, if you want to call them that, that he knows about are people like Robertson, it's totally unknown to him that my heroes are Paul Tillich and Reinhold Niebuhr because he doesn't know about books or thinking or the world of thought or the academy. these are foregoing ideas to him.
he probably thinks I like ;Robertson because he doesn't know anything else. he's so illiterate he has no concept that the are liberal academic Christians. so when he says "Christian" he's thinking of something totally alien and different than what I mean by the term, but he doesn't' know that because he's stupid.
"And yes, they all speak for you, and they all reflect on you, because you all believe in the same god in the same way. Sorry.
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that puts the lie to Hermits little insistence that i don't see clearly. Obviously I am right, these little mentions of hatred are trying to label all Christians with the same brush. they want my grandmother and mother and all the sweet little old ladies making cookies to be murdered in a camp because they dare to disagree with him, and he wants anyone who doesn't make him king or thin he's brilliant to be murdered.
He thinks he can spit in the face of all that is good and decent just becuase his illiterate little feelings are hurt.
what exactly is this guy outraged about? what did I do that was so very horrible in that post hes responding to? I'm not asking have I ever said anything that would make him mad, obviously I have. What did I say in the one about "Is KKK Christian" that deserve that of vitriol and personal attack? It was reasonable, it was clam, I said nothing of a personal nature about anyone, I commented on the arguments and the logic used by certain atheists.
this is what i find, if you make the mildest criticism of atheists, just their logic nothing else, they see it as a gut wrenching personal attack designed to destroy their self esteem and come at with gut wrenching anger wailing like banshees and trying to crush your self esteem. That's the way a cult acts. I am trying to get people to realize what's going on, but they are so bigoted and so brainwashed it's like trying to wake up sleep walkers. they are in a daze they wont open their eyes and look.
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You claim that I did not respond to anything in your post. I disagree. This is the title of the post in guestion: "Is KKK Christian? What makes one a "True" Christian?,
I merely laid out what makes someone a Christian, and what makes them a viable speaker for Christianity. These are not my rules. Your team makes this crap up. I am just pointing out that when one of the gawd team does something monumentally stupid, the rest of you don't get to say that he is not a "True Christian".
If you all believe in the same fairy tales, then you are the ones who classify yourselves this way.
I am merely pointing out reality. I know that you fairytale acolytes don't like that, but these are your rules for becoming Christian, not mine.
And do some research on the ex Nazi youth pope Ratzinger, because as a youth, he was affiliated with the Nazis, as was the entire Catholic Church.
I don't think they were exactly condoning what Hitler was doing, but being on the winning team and protecting the status of the church was far more important to them during that period than actually doing what was right.
And do some research on the ex Nazi youth pope Ratzinger, because as a youth, he was affiliated with the Nazis, as was the entire Catholic Church.
that's a lie basically. It is so shallow and un-carefulness it just amounts to a lie. you are so over simplying the situation that's like saying if you have been Martinique you've been to France.
Lot's of people were in Hitler youth as kids who did not become Nazis, they were just kids. The Catholic chruch never had any sort of affiliation with Nazism and you you be aware that you are slandering three million maryers who died in concentration camps who were Catholic!
Hitler killed Catholics, and Catholics died in the under grounding fighting Hitler. my former music teacher when I was kid lost her father that way. you don't know what you are talking about. you are so hyped on hatred you are not even wiling examine any sort of facts.
I don't think they were exactly condoning what Hitler was doing, but being on the winning team and protecting the status of the church was far more important to them during that period than actually doing what was right.
You admit you don't know the facts, rather than go around slandering people who don't you learn the facts?
The Catholic Church never excommunicated Adolf Hitler or other Catholic Nazi leaders, even when it was safe to do so. This was the same Church that had excommunicated Communists and that has automatic excommunication of anyone involved in an abortion.
You'd expect the Church to be mighty pissed about how the Nazis treated Catholic nations like France and Poland and Czechoslovakia. But no Church official seemed very pissed about that. In fact, the Church liked Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco and Ante Pavelic.
And why worry about safety when martyrdom will send you to Heaven?
You claim that I did not respond to anything in your post. I disagree. This is the title of the post in guestion: "Is KKK Christian? What makes one a "True" Christian?,
I merely laid out what makes someone a Christian, and what makes them a viable speaker for Christianity.
but you didn't get it right. I did and you didn't comment on my right stuff but imposed your own mistaken stuff.
These are not my rules. Your team makes this crap up. I am just pointing out that when one of the gawd team does something monumentally stupid, the rest of you don't get to say that he is not a "True Christian".
but you haven't bothered to really understand the rules.
If you all believe in the same fairy tales, then you are the ones who classify yourselves this way.
that's just begging the question. I can't help if it you don't have the educational background to understand my arguments, they prove that God exists, or at least that belief in God is rational (but I think some actually do prove it).
you don't want answers. you turn your back on the evidence then demand that we must agree there is none, all you've done is stick your head in the sand when the proof is passed around.
I am merely pointing out reality. I know that you fairytale acolytes don't like that, but these are your rules for becoming Christian, not mine.
childish posturing. That's the kind of whistling in the dark to have to do to keep fear of hell from your psyche, you have to work at ignoring the truth.
There may be some who play the game of saying anyone who screws up is not a true Christian, I am not one of them> I don't say taht but there's no way you can tag the KKK as being a christian group. I covered that in my essay. I said there are some confused people in it, maybe some are Christians some just think they are but the organization itself is not a Christian group. you can't make it be one based upon shallow words.
real Christians can screw up then when they do they are not living as true Christians. The sign that one is really right with God is that he produces good fruit.
here's an answer on the Hitler excommunication issue from a source I usually eschew, Yahoo answers! This is not necessarily the best answer, but it's worth looking at.:
"Excommunication is not a political action used to seperate the Church from evildoers. I think people are confused about the purpose and nature of ecommunication. It isn't to punish a person and let the world know that the Church disagrees with their actions, it is to let the faithful know that the actions or theological beliefs of a so-called Catholic, are heretical. This is to prevent others from being led astray."
"There are many excommunicated Catholics. They do this to themselves by their actions. Not everyone's excommunication is formally announced."
"The Catholic Church usually announces an excommunication formally based on heretical actions. That means persons who claim to be within Catholic teaching who are clearly not, such as the small group of nuns who claimed their mother superior was Mary reincarnated. This is obviously a heretical belief.
The group of women who claim to be ordained Catholic priests, again this is a heretical stance and yet they claim to be Catholic. They are excommunicated the minute they follow through on their actions, yet the Church officially announced it in order to draw the line. This helps regular Church going Catholics know what is and isn't Catholic teaching. If the Church remains quiet on these things assuming that all Catholics know these women aren't really priests, there is too much room for confusion. This is why Sinead O'Connor was officially excommunicated.
Where someone like Hitler is concerned, there is no confusion. He excommunicated himself by his actions and no one I can think of would ever believe that Hiter was a faithful Catholic adhering to the teachings of the Church. Formal excommunication is not neccessary unless there is some heretical idea of belief that is in question. Hitler never claimed to be doing the work of the Catholic Church, he never claimed to be a good Catholic and told by the Virgn Mary to kill all the Jews...or something like that. He was raised Catholic but he never really was Catholic, nor did he try to draw his Catholic upbringing into any of his actions.
The bottom line is, that it's just not neccessary. Someone like Sinead O'Connor directly attacked the Church teaching and thumbed her nose at it. Hitler just happened to have been born and raised Catholic, but he never truly was a Catholic and certainly was no Christian.
Excommunication is the consequence of an action, not a punishment by the Church meant to prove something to the world."
The Catholic Church never excommunicated Adolf Hitler or other Catholic Nazi leaders, even when it was safe to do so. This was the same Church that had excommunicated Communists and that has automatic excommunication of anyone involved in an abortion.
Not excommunicating Hitler does not make the Catholic chruch a Nazi organization nor does it make the Nazi party a Catholic organization. It's one guy and there were diplomatic complexities involved. Exccmunication is not a political weapon. Teh excommunication of communists, you must present more data! you make an undocumented assertion.
The Pope did issue two encyclicals while Hitler was in power and the two make it clear they did not approve of Hitler: Mit Brennender SorgeandSummi Pontificatus One of these was the official denunciation of any organization against Hitler.
among the reasons they didn't try to cut all ties was one in particular, because priests were helping Jews hide, and they didn't want them kicked out of Germany at that time so they could go on hiding Jews.
Have you ever heard of Lo Chambo? The whole village was Catholic and they hid Jews, the whole village hid the Jews, and several of them were killed for it.Albert Camus was living there at the time and he based his novel the Plague on an idea he got from the activities of Lo Chambo Christians.
You'd expect the Church to be mighty pissed about how the Nazis treated Catholic nations like France and Poland and Czechoslovakia. But no Church official seemed very pissed about that. In fact, the Church liked Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco and Ante Pavelic.
wrong, check your facts.
And why worry about safety when martyrdom will send you to Heaven?
Have to get the Jews stashed first.
"Have you ever heard of Lo Chambo? The whole village was Catholic and they hid Jews, the whole village hid the Jews, and several of them were killed for it."
That's true, but so is this:
http://www.jasenovac.org/whatwasjasenovac.php
"Following the Nazi invasion and dismemberment of Yugoslavia in April 1941, the "Independent State of Croatia" was established as a pro-Nazi government. It was dedicated to a clerical-fascist ideology influenced both by Nazism and extreme Roman Catholic fanaticism. On coming to power, the Ustashe Party dictatorship in Croatia quickly commenced on a systematic policy of racial extermination of all Serbs, Jews and Romas living within its borders."
what that says about Croatia does not say that it was connected to the Catholic chruch. We know there are extremists in everything.Croatia was not established with the help of the Catholic chruch. It said individual Catholics.
you think there aren't extreme atheists, what about Stalin?
which of the three explainations are you supposing?
(1) addition that some can be bad?
(2) all share in the guilt of a few?
(3) The belief will make you that way?
If it's 2 or 3 how do you explain the murdering atheists such as Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin?
why are all Christian guilty of those extremists who started Croatia but you are not guilty of Stalin's sins?
By the way, the current Pope may not actually be a Nazi (you're right about the Hitler Youth thing; most German children were enrolled) but his decision to reinstate holocaust denying bishops doesn't help his image.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058524.html
"what exactly is this guy outraged about? what did I do that was so very horrible in that post hes responding to? I'm not asking have I ever said anything that would make him mad, obviously I have. What did I say in the one about "Is KKK Christian" that deserve that of vitriol and personal attack? It was reasonable, it was clam, I said nothing of a personal nature about anyone, I commented on the arguments and the logic used by certain atheists."
And I calmly disagreed with your opinion and offered my own, which prompted you to fly into a rage and call me a "pus wad". So which of us being hateful here? You're suffering from a serious case of projection here when you accuse me of throwing tantrums and behaving like a bigot.You have a too much beam in your eye to be looking for motes in mine, buddy...
"which of the three explainations are you supposing?
(1) addition that some can be bad?"
It's always been 1). I should have thought that was obvious, since that's what I keep saying.
And I certainly don't deny that some atheists have been very bad people.
The problem is that YOU want to deny that anyone who is a Christian might do something bad, or that any organization that holds opinions that don't fit your interpretation of scripture can't legitimately be considered Christian.
And disagreeing with you on this point does NOT mean I want to put your grandmother or anyone else in camp. Stop being such an ass.
The problem is that YOU want to deny that anyone who is a Christian might do something bad, or that any organization that holds opinions that don't fit your interpretation of scripture can't legitimately be considered Christian.
no I don't. perhaps you think that because other Christians have said such things.I don't think that way. But that still doe snot make the KKK a Christian organization.
And I calmly disagreed with your opinion and offered my own, which prompted you to fly into a rage and call me a "pus wad". So which of us being hateful here? You're suffering from a serious case of projection here when you accuse me of throwing tantrums and behaving like a bigot.You have a too much beam in your eye to be looking for motes in mine, buddy...
You pissed on all my attempts to be fair and discriminate betwen types of atheists, which is just dishonest becuase you had previous lied saying I never made such attempts then it comes out you know I made them you just to regard them as nothing. that means you regard my sincerity and feelings as nothing. why am I bothering with what you feel? You want to deny that you stabbed me in the back then you turn around and do it here as thought it's nothing.
Support for my Ratzinger / Catholic Church - Nazi connection statement and a link:
The pope and the Nazis
Charges that Pope Pius XII did not resist the Holocaust are complicating his candidacy for sainthood.
http://www.theweek.com/article/index/105605/The_pope_and_the_Nazis
Even if a particular pop was a zieg hieling Nazi that does not make Chatholic curhc a Nazi organization or Nazism a Christian one.
There were evil popes in the middle ages. There were popes in the middle ages who were murdered and the murderers put their on puppets in who functioned as Pope. That doesn't mean all 2000 years of Christianity is screwed. It just means that one Pope is screwed.
but you forget I'm a Prot so i think Pope is fundamentally off center to begin with.
"Even if a particular pop was a zieg hieling Nazi that does not make Chatholic curhc a Nazi organization or Nazism a Christian one."
No, but they weren't entirely incompatible it seems...
One can't honestly discuss Nazi anti semitism without recognizing the centuries of religious discrimination that made is possible.
Even if a particular pop was a zieg hieling Nazi that does not make Chatholic curhc a Nazi organization or Nazism a Christian one."
No, but they weren't entirely incompatible it seems...
that's ridiculous. You have not right to any such thing. Hitler murdered three million Catholics.
One can't honestly discuss Nazi anti semitism without recognizing the centuries of religious discrimination that made is possible.
nazism wasn't just about ant9-semitism and it didn't appeal to the German people because of it's final solution. that was a part of it but its way too simplistic to just chalk it all up to that.
"nazism wasn't just about ant9-semitism and it didn't appeal to the German people because of it's final solution."
That's not what I said though, was it?
European Christianity has a long tradition of anti-Jewish sentiment. You can't ignore that history when talking about the Holocaust.
nazism wasn't just about ant9-semitism and it didn't appeal to the German people because of it's final solution."
That's not what I said though, was it?
sometimes you really have problems understanding what's being said. this one reason I'm convinced that atheist are just people who who have some missing thing about being subtle and comprehension.
it doesn't have to be what you said to be an answer to your argument. it speaks to the argument you made.
European Christianity has a long tradition of anti-Jewish sentiment. You can't ignore that history when talking about the Holocaust.
Yes, that's true, but...since that's not the major issue in German people's acceptance of it then that's not an issue here.
the real issue is the RCC was not a Nazi organization and tons of Catholics were against Hitler and were killed by him. The Pope's seeming approval was not approval but bad diplomacy.
Hitler was not a Catholic, he may have been one formally but he did not agree with them but hated their faith and hated Christianity and hated Catholicism by the time he was an adult. So Nazism is not Christian and Christianity is not Nazi.
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