Originally Posted by bigthinker
I understand that the atheist brain washers have created a standard of evidence that's designed to make belief look bad and to make you feel that atheism = scinece, when in fact it's really anti-scientific. thus when you have 200 empirical studies form peer reviewed journals telling you something you just decide they are all bad without reading one of them--horribly unscientific!
you don't know what evidence is. You have reduced all forms of evidence to just the ones that help your view. that's the big atheist trick with evdience and facts.
bigthinker
Meta:You have not presented evidence of the existence of God
yea I have. you have not answered any of it. I showed three issues.
I beat the fu out of you on the 200 studies on the Cosmological arguemnt. you are just calmed up as though you said "I refuse to accept that this is meaningful. I will not bleieve regardless of the evidence."
bigthinker
The 200 studies deal with belief, not the existence of God. No one is questioning if people believe in God.They don't deal with Belief they deal with experience. the experience of God. Of course that's what the argument is about so I don't base my argument on that premise. I'm arguing for the validity of the statement. They data from the studies suggest its' right.
bigthinker
You say that because your God is imaginary.Meta
Is expecting gravity to hold you on earth an absurd level of evidence for gravity?
the scientists who supported steady state did not call big bang "imaginary" just becuase they thought it was unreal. you are just using that term to make it sound worse.
bigthinker
MetaThe difference between sub atomic particles and your God is that sub atomic particles are objectively detectable; their presence or absence can be factually determined. Your God cannot.
they are not actually. that's why we don't have direct pictures of them. they are only detectable by judging their effects upon other particles and that's exactly the case with God.
bigthinker
Because there is no evidence that God exists any other way. And all the evidence (your studies, for example) indicate that God is imaginary.
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*200 studies
*can't get soemthing form nothing
*effect of God talk on the brain
*temporal beginning argument.
you can't answer any of them.
Of course not, you are blinded by your bias.
bigthinker
I say you are imagining it. But it doesn't matter because you can't demonstrate that you aren't merely imagining it.
Meta
you are just begging the question again.
bigthinker
First of all, I have zero evidence that your life changed -personal claims are not evidence.
Meta
yes they are evidence they are well documented the 200 studies document them. most of the 200 have some form of documentation that backs that arguemnt.
bigthinker
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as much evdience smoking causes cancer and it's of the same nature.
[this means it's a correlation but a tight one.]
bigthinker
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I never said anything about God talking to me. I said explicitly mystical experience is not about God talking to you.
bigthinker
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you guys will never learn. you have to support the timeless void.
the only alternative to that is eternal necessary being and that's God. If you don't accept a timeless void you already accept the basic conditions that prove God must exist.
bigthinker
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it wouldn't require any becuase God doesn't exist by rules. God makes the rules he's not the result rules.
there are physical laws at that point (beyond singularity) to say no this or that. It's no good trying to say God doesn't measure up to the rules he doesn't have to.
bigthinker
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I just gave you some
Holy Question begging Batman! that's exactly what the word means. Perfect example!
bigthinker
He says that right after his own question begging where he demands that God is imaginary and taht I've given no evdience right after I game some.
Meta
prove it. show me they are. your arguemnts are always question begging. you show me how this is question begging.
bigthinker
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I'm not trying to insult you. I do actually like you.
bigthinker
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prove it. so far you have not answered a single argument. again
you don't understated what begging the question is. you are asserting
that all the stuff I point to as evdience has to be not evdience because
you assert the begging of the question. you are making your conclusion
into your premise. that's circular reasoning. Question begging is a from
of circular reasoning.
bigthinker
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I don't have to prove Go dis not imaginary. you made the claim you
must prove he is. I have no reasons to think he is. I have reason to
think he's real and you can't answer them.
bigthinker
existence is not determined by argument, existence is determined by evidence.
Meta
yes they are evidence they are well documented the 200 studies document them. most of the 200 have some form of documentation that backs that arguemnt.
bigthinker
Second, there is no evidence that the cause of your change was God.
This is circular.
Meta
[this means it's a correlation but a tight one.]
bigthinker
Talk about God -or imagining God talking to you is not the same as the existence of God. You are confusing the two.
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bigthinker
Show me a timeless void.
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bigthinker
It would require a greater re-write of the rules for your God to exist.
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there are physical laws at that point (beyond singularity) to say no this or that. It's no good trying to say God doesn't measure up to the rules he doesn't have to.
bigthinker
its imaginary. There is no evidence that your god is not imaginary.
Meta
I just gave you some
Holy Question begging Batman! that's exactly what the word means. Perfect example!
bigthinker
Those aren't even arguments for the existence of God...They are examples of question begging and circular reasoning.
He says that right after his own question begging where he demands that God is imaginary and taht I've given no evdience right after I game some.
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bigthinker
Meta, I'm not insulted by your incorrect assertions and interpretations of reality.
Meta
I'm not trying to insult you. I do actually like you.
bigthinker
Except that God IS imaginary. You imagine God.
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bigthinker
And you have zero evidence that God is not imaginary, in fact, all of your studies and all your so-called arguments support my position.
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bigthinker
existence is not determined by argument, existence is determined by evidence.
Meta
Originally Posted by bigthinker
you dont' even know what the idea of God is. It's not that of an imaginary anything. Its' of a real thing.. that's just proof that you are begging you can't even admit that we actually believe soemthing that we do believe.
my idea of the old South land life building that used to Grace the Dallas sky line is not that of an imaginary building it's the idea of real building that used to exit. It may still but you can't see it from a distance anymore. My idea of Superman is that of a being that I know is fictional. It's the idea of real being of cousre, but I know it's factional so the overarching idea of it is not that of a real being but of a fictional being. The immediate suspended disbelief idea is of a real super powered hero but the uber idea is that of a fictional character.
bigthinker
Your 200 studies don't deal with God, they deal with what people think.
The soul is imaginary. It doesn't have a cost beyond your emotional attachment to the idea.
Meta
Originally Posted by bigthinker
Of course I do. you are begging the question. I see that the presence I feel when I pray and the doing of the effect when my prayers are answered; the doer of the deeds I speak of in my arguments. there has to be one. you just say "that can't be God because he's not real." that's begging the question.
bigthinker
You have a memory of something that actually existed. Your memory is
the idea. The thing (the building) no longer exists -although it once
existed. The existence of the building was not contingent upon your idea
of it, it existed independently from your imagination and was
objectively detectable by others -even by others who could not see it,
didn't have an idea of it etc.
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see how he's begging the question? He's asserting that point that he defends in order to use it as evidence in its own defense. He assumes the idea of God is contingent upon my imagining it without even having a way to know that. Irony of ironies look what he says next!
bigthinker
How is that different from me knowing that your God is fictional?
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(Duh!)
bigthinker
Superman is an idea, just as god is an idea.
The building you remember may have actually existed -or perhaps it
still does. The building existed as more than just an idea -whereas
Superman and God exist only as ideas.
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I couldn't make this more obvious if I invented it myself.
bigthinker
The difference is that fingerprints actually exist -they are
(actual) evidence of a person. You are using imaginary evidence to
support your belief in an imaginary character.
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bigthinker
Try to find real evidence -something other people can objectively investigate.
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that' real it's objective. with the ability to distinguish between fake and real mystical experience the M scales gives us an objectivity in studying the effects of God.
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More fun with Atheists, I see. It just never ends.
Speaking of Atheists, check this out:
Exposed Atheists: Discussion
On this guy's You Tube channel, some atheists were whining that this guy doesn't allow comments on his videos. Here's what I said:
"After reading a lot of these comments below, I can see why this user disables the comment leaving feature on his videos".
Also, check this comment out by some moron:
"A god who creats a devil to spend time with him,,,,,,,,,,you cant imagine the world without this shit ? it is so pathetic".
ahahahahaahhh they are priceless.
I know. Another person on that comment section said that Hitler was publicly Christian, and then another person named PhdScientist said this:
Love your channel, reinforces the point that science education (and common sense) is on the decline in the West and we'll soon be over run by the Asians who embrace reality!
Oh, my Goodness. These people should all be napalmed (just kidding). Seriously, they need some major prayer. They don't know what they are talking about.
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