Victor Reppert said...
They get hung on the most petty issue:
Jeffery Jay Lowder said... Victor -- I just looked at the site. Despite its stated purpose (to "sound the alarm against" the bullying of hateful rhetoric from atheists), the scope of the site seems to go beyond that. For example, right now, the latest post is "Prayer Studies and the Echo Chamber." I didn't read anything in that blog post which alleges anything to do with hateful rhetoric by atheists. Rather, this post seems to be a run-of-the-mill response to certain atheist critiques of claims about the power of prayer. I found several other examples of articles on the site which appear to have zero to do with hateful rhetoric, but seem to be standard critiques of certain atheistic arguments.He's criticizing me for not spewing over the hateful statements when in facts other criticize me for doing just that. Which do the want? The fact is my concept of what Atheist Watch is and what it's about has changed a lot in the few years I've been doing it. The mission has expanded from "keeping tabs on hate group atheism" to understanding atheism as a full fleedged ideology and charting the course of its true Regieme.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just want to point how extremely selective the author appears to be--based on my 3 minutes of skimming the site--in terms of interacting with atheist arguments. My impression is that he spends most or all of his time interacting with the weakest arguments for atheism, but spends little or none of his time interacting with the strong arguments for atheism.
The step away form the old mission was in finding the psychological nature of the hate group mentality. This I did through various studies by Leslie Francis and others. This was a two part issue that can be found on the stand alone pages "best of AW." I identified and surmised by instinct, what I latter confirmed with studies. The atheist need to mock and ridicule religious belief is about their own hatred of themselves and their own rejections. Those who maintain a negative image of God are merely extending their hatred of God as an outgrowth of their self hatred. It's like "why did you make me the way I am? I hate myself, why would you make me this way? You must be bad yourself to do this."
Those who mock and ridicule Chrsitians and who thrive in insulting religious people are in need of a ego boost that they get from the "bully rush:" the feelings of power and importance that come from pushing others around.
Once having realized this I then began seeking to understand the ideological nature of their views. I had already began writing about the atheist propaganda machine, which I discovered form following Richard Carrier's connections in his attempt to build a new Jesus Seminar type group. One key boost to my view was the discovery of a site on my side bar, "militant atheism exposed." Even though it's a fundamentalist site they brought out some very interesting facts about the atheist propaganda machine, their legal victories which require a lot of money, and things of this nature. I had spotted for years on message boards they way they all say the the same things. I never thought it would be an organized effort do socialize them into that I thought it was just the natural result of studying the same things.
Some extraneous tid bits filled in gaps. such the world wide nature of the bill boards and the bus signs, the anti-Christmas campaign. I love Christmas anyone who messes with Christmas in in deep trouble with me. It's obvious those all tie in as money eaters and require organization. It's obvious they are drawing upon mutual support. All of that calls for organization. I began to look for connections and saw that they had a world wide propaganda machine that incorporates books publishes, magazine publishers, major legal talent, world wide organizing. In fact I had to retrain myself so as not to sound like a conspiracy. I began joking with myself about finding imprints of drawings of Thrushes on atheist books.
All of this came together over a couple of years. I got tried of bathing in animosity and acrimony and wanted to get away from digging up negative stuff all the time. A year ago I made a decision to put up best of AW because I was finding so much good stuff I didn't want to just be lost amide the thousand other post. I have almost more posts on AW then I do on Metacrock's Blog. This blog has been been going about four years and Metacrock's blog since 2005. For a long time I would post here every day. The theory then was there are no studies of hate group atheism. I ask some hate group watch groups to cover atheism they refused. They said "when you find burned atomic symbols on your yard we'll care."
They might have a point. maybe blowing off steam on the net works as a safety value. Although it's not true that there have been no atheist attacks on chruches. There was one a couple of years ago in Dallas and an attack the other day of spray painting but I have not yet learned if it's connected to atheism. The point is the hate group aspect seems to be in a holding pattern. It may be transiting into action but if so its doing it very slowly.
I decided a year ago to put up more intellectual content and less of the usual "O look at the idiots on carm." My reason for doing that was not only to bare my soul as to the acrimony I felt from dealing with them but also because there are no studies of them. So I felt I have to document by lots of anecdotal examples.
Now the mission has changed. It's about demonstrating the contributed nature of the truth regime and the development of the ideology as it unfolds. Just the idea that they have an ideology, while practically admitted in a sense is still met with interruptions of anger at times and with incredulity always. They used to pride themselves on never admitting they had a movement. When the big split in Atheist + came down the pike every article on both sides began talking about 'the movement." It got to be pretty silly when they would say "It's not a movement" I would quote about 10 guys talking about "the movement."
They still refuse to admit it's an ideology. I'm betting that will be forced upon them too. Once you are a movement you have an ideology. A movement without an ideology is like a car without gas. So I will cahnge the mast head and yes. athiest watch is about more than just how some atheiests are hateful.
Read the rest of those comments on dangerous idea. they very telling.