On a discussion on CARM (where else) I write about my own testimony which happened to come up. at one point someone I knew who was close to me was 'freaking out' on a bad acid trip. I was real upset and didn't know what to do. he refused to let me call medical help or to go to a hospital. I didn't know what else to do so I thought I hope my parents are right and Jesus is real. I said "if you are really there," I said "Jesus the way my parents believe in, "if you are really there please stop him." He stopped. he wound down and went to sleep. that got my attention. that's not all there was to my conversion but that got my attention. Read about it here. I wasn't just telling this to impress and covert. It fit into a larger point. Then the dopy atheist decides this is a bad thing. At first he tried to make into a conceitedness. writ it off. then he tries to turn into a curse.
Originally Posted by Fanghur
Meta: that's like saying when you say "hey!" the other looks around and says "what?" you should just say to yourself, he's not answering me, it's just a coincidence that he just happened to look when I said that to him." That's what you are saying. we should never undertand any event as a direct response to prayer regardless of how improbable it is. He had been rampaging and writhing and screaming and he was throwing things and he said all sorts of things to indicate he was in a bad way he was not stopping he showed no sign of letting down. I have no reason to assume it was a coincidence the only reason one would think that is if on was biased against belief that there is a God who would answer.
Originally Posted by Fanghur
when I call out and say If you are really do X and X is done immediately I should conclude the same thing.
Yes, and a god who apparently doesn't give two hoots about helping him until you asked.
you have no proof that God doesn't' care until you ask, that's just ingratitude. Intsead of saying "thanks' you say "what took you so long?"that is irrational. To try and turn into a indictment of God's compassion because he wait utni we called. Of course it crosses his mind if it was to show me he's there than waiting until I call would be the kindest thing because how else would I know he did it. Of course then we start the reduction process to slippery slope and argue why don't God hold a press conference and let us all in on the gag.
It must take a real burned out fool to think this way.
getting back to the major discussion he adds:
And this is where you say our morals come from? And you are absolutely wrong. You are making an extraordinary claim.
slipper slope. without knowing anything about it you are to build it not some horrendous dopy assumption about God, or put in a bad light instead of building it as a good motive. What's the logic there? the basis of the Good answered my pleas so i'm going t turn into a reaosn not to believe? how assign!Here's where he really starts going over the edge.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.By far the simplest explanation is coincidence; Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is typically best. And I have extremely good reasons to be biased against such a thing, because what about the millions of people every day who DON'T get helped by this magical anthropomorphic immortal of yours, hmm?
I was there an you weren't. It's obviously extraordinary. who wouldn't want God when you call? what kind of fool would seek to turn that into a bad thing?So now he's not only going to complain about God's timing but he's actually going to use as an argument against the existence of God. I'm supposed to think God must not be there because it's a big enough miracle. I think it's pretty extraordinary and he's jealous. God did something for me everyone would like, he answered when I called. who would not want that. This guy takes it as a sign god doesn't care and complained it's not proof enough. I said he has a phobia about accepting God. he says:
No, it is not a phobia.
o yes God answered me when I called in respiration I guess that proves he doesn't exist! only a fool would say that!
This speaks volumes about the way atheists think. nothing can ever be good enough, you have to doubt everything no matter how amazing it is.Always think negative about God at all costs, learn to always see the dark of every situation. the Glass is not only half empty but what's there isn't worth drinking anyway.