Is This guy a Shill for atheism, or just the victim of Bad theology?

This was a post on CARM yesterday. This guy's understanding of Christianity is so bad he could be a shill for atheism. It would not be the first time an atheist went on there to pretend to be a Christian who is disillusioned and giving up his faith. This guy's understanding is so bad he doesn't even speak in standard Christian cliches. But my point in bring it up is not to accuse atheists, my point is to make sure that Christians understand what needs to be taught and what needs to be dropped like a hot rock.


Originally Posted by DisgruntledChristian

I have seen no improvement in life from believing in Jesus Christ.
I can no longer go on with the self loathing.

Christianity requires me to hate myself because of how I am.
I can longer believe I deserve death and hell.

First thing out of the shoot he gets it wrong. No wonder he has had no change in his life, he's not beileving the Gospel! Nothing in the Gospels that requires us to hate ourselves. Quite the contrary it requires that we love ourselves. The injunction "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matt 22:36-40 (NIV) (in KJV) assumes we love ourselves. We can't do that if we loath ourselves.

I refuse to believe that I am a worthless sinner

Good! So do I! No passage in the NT says that. Luke 12: 6-7 (NIV)

⁶ Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
⁷ But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Of cousre the comparison to sparrows is ironic and  hyperbolic. He's not saying humans are only wroth a set number of birds. He's saying we are wroth much more to God than any other aspect of creation. Passages like "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son" (John 3:16) teach us that God loves every single person enough to die for them.

I can't help the fact that I am sexually confused and attracted to members of both genders.
I refuse to love and worship and serve a God who hates people and sends them to hell.
If God can't love everyone and provide a way to reconcile everyone to him that God is a malevolent entity.

No passage says God hates sinners. No passage says God hates gays. It certainly doesn't say he hates people who are confused. Only the most extreme churches teach that. It's so very cliched to speak of God loving all people that it makes me wonder if this person isn't involved in a hoax. We have very touching images of God going out of his way to bring back the lost sinners.

 Luke:

15 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

² And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
³ And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
⁴ What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
⁵ And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
⁶ And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
⁷ I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
⁸ Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
⁹ And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
¹⁰ Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

At that point he tells the story of the prodigal son. Even though he was reduced to the level of a servant eating pig slop he was welcomed back to the house with honors. Note that story begins with the character's initial position in the house as son, not servant. The believer is adopted as a Child of God.

But he doesn't love everyone and in fact hates everyone.

That's obviously a lie. It's also contradiction because he also says God loves the elect, so then he says God hates everyone. No passage ever says God hates anyone. He hates sins but it doesn't say he hates sinners. It sure as hell doesn't say he hates everyone. He's obviously feeling sorry for himself.

Accepting Christ has strings attached. God could have done better.
So here I am.

You have to be sincere and you have to accept what God has for you. those are not what I call "strings."

I must work on improving my health and finding a way to survive and flourish.
I must stay safe and work on ways to post pone death because as soon as I die I just might go to some deity's hell.

 So why would you post on a place like CARM? Do you really expect atheists to help you sort your relationship with God? Who will help them do that that first?

In latter posts he says:  "Jesus Christ didn't die for everyone. Only the chosen, the elect.

I have no way of knowing if I am one of the elect.

I'm tired of living in such fear anymore."

 He may be a Calvinist. I'm not real gung ho Calvinism myself. I think this is too extreme for him to be a Christian. He's either someone who was not in a chruch very long and didn't listen or someone who is hoaxing. There's a guy on CARM now he's been for a couple of years I still think he came to hoax pretending to be a chrsitian, then it has become totally clear that he was not one. I don't say that just becuase he disagrees with me. He clearly doesn't know anything about it.

This just drives home our responsibly to show the love of Christ and to really understand the gospel. Its' not hard. it's good. The Gospel is Good, God is good becuase God is love, If you have all these ideas that you are no good and God doesn't love you, you need to seek God. Not becuase he's mad at you but becuase you are not getting what he has for you that is good and positive and based upon love. God is really love. He loves you.

Bad theology is the tough love nonsense that is not love at all.

CARM atheists resort to charges of violance against me to shut me up

It finally hapepned. They are reaching for the big guns to get me off of CARM. They are accusing me of making violent threats against a woman.



I askthis guy what NWRT meant. he said "No worth responding to" I joking said "well all you to do was say it you don't have to tell me I'm not worth responding to." God only knows who deep psychological wound that triggered then says:

 leyman said: 28 Minutes Ago

Originally Posted by Metacrock

well gee if you don't want to tall me just say so. You don't have to say it's not worth it to respond to me! (it's a joke) ( I am kidding! ;-)

Were you joking and kidding when you were apparently seriously threatening to physically assault an 18 year-old girl in here, Meta?

what?

Originally Posted by BlackLight

Is there a link to this, by any chance?

Leman

The CARM moderators wisely deleted all of the offensive threatening posts shortly after I notified them of them and right before they gave Metacrock a suspension as a result.
We may have a new Davis Mabus in the making here.

 he said that. that's a big lie I never did any such thing. this guys is nothing but a lying sack of shit. nothing like that ever happened.


 here's that guy, this is the guy they are comparing me to. so they have arbitrarily decide that I'm a puissant violent scum back troll who can't think why? they cant' beat my argumetns. every single discussion I have with them I come awa beating stuipud little empty heads in rhtorically.

here's the guy they are comparing me to:

I see you’ve all met our little troll, David Mabus. “Mabus” (his real name is Dennis Markuze, and he used to sell used computers in Montreal, Canada) has been flooding my mailbox for about the last month — he has a list of about 70 skeptics and atheists, and just about every day he fires off his little angry rant about how James Randi owes him a million dollars right now, based on prophecies from Nostradamus or some such nonsense. You can get a feel for his insanity from this series of posts he made to the Center for Inquiry forum. It’s hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that he really is mentally ill; if any of you know this fellow personally, you might want to get him some help, fast.

I do have his phone number and address. He has been escalating his attacks lately, and if they get any worse, I’ll be contacting the authorities myself. This is one of those cases where I’ve been targeted by someone with a severe mental disorder, and I think he can be a real risk — but of course I’m only one among many targets, and I think the person who ought to be most concerned is James Randi.

 what's the ratinale for doing it? Because he can make up something. something that jut conviently was taken down by the mds so he can't really prove it but we have his word for it! that's so comforting.

what simliariy is there between me and this guy? none. but he says it's the same. this is telling me if I dont' watch my step they will ruin my reputation. but they are not Nazis or anything. O don't think that of cousre they  only use black mail, character assignation. lying, and any other unfair tatick.

now the chickens are coming how to rust now we see what atheism is made of.

what that Mabus guy is doing sounds stupid, but then they want to harass him on the phone. that's even stupider and it's illegal. They are storm troopers, they are Nazis they are brown shirts.



first he asked if I was joking. then after I deny it several times he get's a real tough guy thing going:

Ohh, and BTW, Meta, if you ever threaten Tyrael with physical violence again expect legal action to take place against you. I have both the financial and legal means and tools available to make life most uncomfortable for you if you persist with these threats.

Tyrael is family to me and I do not take threats of physical violence to my family lightly, Sir.

You need to not only cease and desist with your threats of physical violence against Tyrael but need to apologize for the ones you have already threatened her with.

If you do not you are the lowest and most despicable piece of human excrement that ever walked the Earth, Sir. Does it make you feel good as a grown and supposedly adult man to threaten and intimidate an 18 year old girl? Bravo, Sir. Well done. You sicken me.

Remember why you got banned and the mods deleted all the threats in your sub-threads, Sir?

Be a man and just apologize, Meta.

Hang on to the miniscule shred of whatever dignity you have left.

Real big he man. Here are the facts:

(1) I don't remember much about it. I do remember being shocked some time ago that they took something innocent that Is said as a thread. I know It was not a threat and I denied that it was one.

(2) they claim I said "I'm going to knock your block off." I think from the nature of terms it's obvious that it's nota  big threat. That's not how you threaten someone? Are we living in a peanuts cartoon? Am I Charlie Brown and this is Lucy I'm threatening. "knock your block off?"

(3) I'm pretty sure it was either a joke or a metaphor for wining a debate. "I'm going to knock your block off in debate." that's what Lucy says to Linus.

(4) I do know for certain i was not threatening anyone because I never have done that and I never would.

They are trying to destroy the positive way people think of me so they can shut me up because they can't beat my arguments. The stuff he says to me above is a lot more vicious than "I'm going to knock your block off."