Wednesday, November 18, 2015

Old School Atheist Watching: my visit tof Debuncing Christianity blog (2 of 2)


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I am going back to the elevated standard of intellectual discussion, but I really ant to show one of the denizens of DC. They had no arguments at all. I said moderate stuff and this is what I got:

I said something about I want discussions that are based upon a standard of reason.

sir_russ
So that I understand you clearly, Joe, you consider yourself to be the standard by which reason and rationality are to be judged? Do I have that right?

You, who claims to accept on one hand that humans evolved, while on the other you accept as a true state of the world that every one of those same evolved humans somehow became infected with Original Sin after two of said humans were induced to being naughty by a talking snake, are the standard of reason and rationality? Seriously? And, now you imagine that the thing that created that is imagined to have created the whole Original Sin clusterfuck to begin with, including the inciting talking snake, had an effective plan to deal with that Original Sin: conduct a fake sacrifice of himself to himself to save all of humankind from himself?

From this we should accept you as a reliable adjudicator of what is reason and rationality?
Metacrock sin nature is the result of anxiety stemming from self transcendence and memory, consult Loftus for Lowdown on Reinhold Niebuhr and St. Augustine. So sin is inherent in being corporeal. We could not refrain from it regardless of what we did. God also gave us the cure. He could not create flesh and blood beings without risking that they would fall, unless they were not free to choose and wanted free creatures to willingly chose the good.
sir_russ
"And, now you imagine that the thing that created that is imagined to have created the whole Original Sin clusterfuck to begin with, including the inciting talking snake, had an effective plan to deal with that Original Sin: conduct a fake sacrifice of himself to himself to save all of humankind from himself?"
Metacrock now, that's an inadequate understanding of doctrine. Original sin is not original guilt its merely the capacity to sin which is part of human nature. Adam and Eve are not the first humans they are merely metaphors.

sir_russ
"Religion has nothing to recommend it intellectually, Joe. Religions are wholly human-manufactured constructs existing in bubbles independent from what is real and what is true."
MetacrockI was an atheist from 16 to 23. I've been a Christian for 36 years. I've been an intellectual since 6th grade. So Obviously not true. Through Loftus's words back at him "Joe Hinman is the real deal" meaning an intellectual.
"Your version of a religion might have lots of participants, but intellectually it is no different from Scientology, or Russianity, the religion with me as its Supreme Being."
Metacrockyou don't even know what it is. you think all of Christianity is fundamentalism.. Apparently you have never heard of liberal theology. That is sheer ignorance. Moreover you could study and learn but you would rather mock and ridicule study so that proves you have no idea what being an intellectual is, That prove my point atheism is for the ignorant it's a hate group.
"All of humanity suffers as a direct consequence of the competing truth claims of the religious."
MetacrockEmpirically disproved projecting your personal experiences.Here are 300 empirical studies that show religion is good for you. they don't allow links here. you are being isolated from knowledge so you can't unlearn your brain washing.Doxa > Theology > what is supernatural > 300 studies

If your party one had any truth to it you would be making arguments instead of bromides. [Notice the make no attempt to back anything up]
You assert there is a standard. What is it? Show us that by its consistent application it is even worthy to be considered a standard. Your PhD-ness in God-Stuff should be useful for at least that
[I told him the standard is logic--latter in the rhubarb when I said Adam and Eve are Metaphors he said:]
And, Bible is a metaphor for bullshit. Joe, there is NO adequate understanding of "doctrine." To claim otherwise makes you a liar, pure and simple. Doctrine is whatever you make up or what you accept that someone else has made up. Doctrine is completely arbitrary. Gods do not exist to mind the doctrinal store, so every religious group concocts doctrine to suit themselves. The 40,000 Christianities attest to exactly that.
[This moron who knows nothing about doctrine is not even attesting discussion. Apparently he is afraid to do any real thinking--what's the point of attempting discussion with stupid people who have no intension of thinking about what you say. This guy actually said if you claim to have an understanding of doctrine you are lyinjg--has hevever read anby?] Metacrock Joe: >>> sin nature is the result of anxiety stemming from self transcendence and memory, consult Loftus for Lowdown on Reinhold Niebuhr and St. Augustine. So sin is inherent in being corporeal. We could not refrain from it regardless of what we did. God also gave us the cure. He could not create flesh and blood beings without risking that they would fall, unless they were not free to choose and wanted free creatures to willingly chose the good.
More of Joe Hinman's bullshit which would be contradicted by lots of other theologically-trained(not educated) Christians.
[getting the point? the guy's a dunce and he has no desire to learn anythinjg]


4 comments:

JBsptfn said...

Oh, dear God. Only insults. No truth. If those people can't (or won't) grasp the concept of Genesis being poetic, then I don't know what to say.

I went back on JP's You Tube page, and his boy TheDreamVista recommended a link from Debunking Christianity, so I sent him the link to the first part of this series.

Joe Hinman said...

that's cool but I predict he will be rooting for Sir Rus's insults. he'll say "those are good anti-Christian insults I'll have to remember that."

JBsptfn said...

I especially like the part where the guy said that the Bible is a metaphor for BS. It shows again that Atheism is emotional for a lot of people, not logical.

BTW, TDV struck again. He posted an article for JP to refute on the Jesus Myth. It is from a site called Truth Out. I just posted it on the CADRE Yahoo Group.

The author (a liberal pastor) claims that the Resurrection is theological, not historical, and that it was invented later, basically.

I also posted something on the Yahoo group about Soul Sleep a few years ago. The author of the book Turbo Charge Your Church (David Pogge) believes in it, but I feel that Holding had a better article, and he had a link to another article refuting that from another site that is also good.

Joe Hinman said...

yes I saw those. thanks man.