Christian poster on CARM says:
... I'm writing to express that I am tired of the remarks I often hear from many atheists and ex-christians. I have done a lot of things to understand their point of views and to hear where they are coming from and I am tired of the way they treat my religious beliefs and my commitment to continue to identify as a Christian. I have read many ex-christian testimonies and atheist books. I have read some of Hector Avalos, G. Dever, Valerie Terico, Bart Ehrman, John W. Loftus, Dan Barker, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Victor Stenger, Steven Weinberg, Sean M. Carroll and many other ex-christian testimonies and atheist explanations all over the internet. I have read so many from ex-christian.net, on here, on you-tube, on yahoo answers, and all over the place. Sometimes I felt like my mind would explode. I have had friends leave Christianity and I have had days when I thought there was no hope for this religion at all anymore and I might as well become an atheist and get over with it. I even tried to become an atheist multiple times but I could not fight off the urge to pray indefinitely. This religion is just a part of my life, it is a part of who I am. My heart and my life was changed because of Christianity, this is not a sick and evil religion. I didn't always grow up religious. I lived in a secular family before that didn't believe in anything. I liked, and still do, like science and math and learning about the world around me. I loved astronomy and learning about the universe. I loved learning about nature and I was passionate about helping the environment. I thought Christians were dumb because they were so focused on the afterlife rather than helping people and the world in this life. I wanted to help all the poor and starving people around the world and I was angry that Christians were more concerned with saving people for some afterlife instead of helping people in this one. I was a decent moral human being without religion and so was my family. We definitely were not perfect but we weren't bad people either. We knew not to murder or steal and to be kind and we didn't need the Bible to tell us that. I was sick with anthropocentrism that I saw in Christianity and the world around me. "animals and plants matter too!" I thought. "They can feel pain too! We should care about all living things, not just humans."
I had raging hormones and crazy imaginations and like entertainment and literature and science and everything the secular human life had to offer. And yet I also love being a Christian now and this religion has changed my heart and my life. It made me learn humility and patience and peace. It gave me a heart to not fear and to not distrust but to love and to be content and to be light minded. I didn't go because I was greedy for some afterlife or because I was afraid of hell. It definitely was not the cool thing to do and I worried what my parents and family would all think of me. But I became a Christian because in my heart I felt it was the right thing to do and my life has drastically changed. I have known peace more than I ever could have known and am part of something greater than anything I have ever seen of felt in my previous life. I love this religion and I love all the things God has brought me through, bad and good. I'm not going to say Christianity has done only good things to me but even the bad things that came from being religious, Christianity helped me to rectify. Going to church and praying with my pastor was more effective than anything secular counselors or medications did for me. Do I know all the answers and the arguments to my faith? No I don't, I don't know what is absolutely true philosophically or scientifically or all that but I know what is true in my life and in my experiences. I am tired of reading ex-christian testimonies and atheist banter on how stupid and delusional and harmful our religion is. I'm tired of people saying I can't be religious and like science too. I'm tired of people saying that God is like this or that and that christians are all pig-headed stupid believers. I'm tired of people criticizing our religion in excessively negative ways and calling us all gullible, delusional, or imbecilic. We can believe some stupid stuff I admit, we can make big mistakes and have a lot to learn. We are not perfect but we have a lot of good things going for us. I love this religion, it has changed my life it has changed my heart. I have felt it and I'm still here.
The hate group responds
observe how cowardly they are that they
can't just accept someone's feelings.
Wow, it must really suck to be you. How about this, stop caring what other people think about you, or your religion. If you don't want to be thought of as delusional, then you should stop posting/talking about your delusions. If you don't want to be thought of as gullible, then start using some critical thinking skills and stop believing everything you're told or you read in the dogma of your church. If you don't want to be thought of as imbecillic, then don't present imbecillic ideas as objective reality, expecting the rest of us to swallow it whole just because you did. NOTE: I am not suggesting that the author of the OP is any of these things, and I am only responding to the words he used in the OP.Note the Orwellian use of "delusional." Anyone who is not conformed to the atheist brain washing and doesn't accept their truncated reality is "delusional."
... the fact is that as long as you're having the discussion about your beliefs in a public forum... people will comment. When those beliefs don't reflect reality or depend on blind faith, then skeptics will point on the logical fallacies. That is simply a fact of the interwebs.Look at what he's really saying. He's actually saying "you must conform to your views or keep ti to yourself." There is no reason why anyone should not be able to discuss his feelings on a Christian message board (which CARM is supposedly) and not be ridiculed for them. Don't these guys have a responsibility to act in civilized fashion?
If you're faith gives you some measure of peace, take comfort in that and enjoy it. If you enter into the public discussion about the rationality of your beliefs, expect to see dissenting opinion.
..., as passionate as you are in your beliefs, I am equally if not more so, passionate about my disdain for Christianity and all that it is. If that upsets you, so be it, and yoiu have to live with it. Atheists are in a stark minority in America, and if anything, they are the ones who should be complaining about the constant bombardment of Christian beliefs and dogma....Just imagine if we told this guy the same stuff the atheists are telling Delong? how would that be? Keep it to yourself, we will mock and ridicule you if say stuff not in accord with our brain washing. that's what they think they are fighting against, yet they wont extend any compassion to people in the same boat.
See the Orwellian aspects of atheism in action? They use a word that has meaning in a clinical setting ("delusion") they alter it to imply that if you don't see things the way I do you are insane. So any view that differs from mine is insanity. The atheist brain washing is defined as "reality." one must be an atheist to be sane. Look at what they are telling him, "unless you march in lock step with us then you are a target of our ridicule.
How any thinking person be part of this hateful totalitarianism? Why should we put up with it? Why should the 90% of bleieve in God allow themselves to be terrorized by this 3% of know nothings?