The meaning of "Free Thinking:" Free thinking is slave thinking

Originally Posted by Jim Morgan

Sam Harris has some good arguments that the mind and brain are one of the same thing. I like to use beer as an example, Beer is a physical thing, it contains chemicals and if you drink enough of it you can potentially change the way which you behave indicating that a physical thing has changed your mind. Some people have the natural tendency to be quiet when sober but violent when drinking, thus the physical certainly has a great deal off effect on the mind. Sam harris has a Video on free will which I think you might find interesting.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRIcb...eature=related

that's argument from analogy. Analogies don't prove anything and arguing from them to prove somethign is a fallacy.

there is no way to prove that brain = mind because there is no way across the epistemological gap. you can't get outside your own perceptions and check them. When they try to make that kind of augment they start using bait and switch. The substitute brain function for conscoiusness.

That's highly ideological potion anyway. The whole naturalistic world view depends upon that bait and switch. you are ideologically compelled to deny the basis of reality as mind.

asking an atheist to think fairly about that is like asking a John Bircher to think fairly about the Communist Manifesto.



Originally Posted by blondie

You can prove it as well as you can prove anything.

Nope. no evdience to support and lot that goes against it.

The attempt to discredit evidence is just an attempt to equate things that are not true with stuff that is true. I believe this form of apologetics is very weak because it can obviously be applied to things which you will reject out of hand.

O yea that's the way ideological propaganda works. when it's there stuff thinking about it and paralyzing it is real improvident. criticizing it is that's skepticism is about. it's all good to do that as long as it's agaisnt Christianity.

when it's against atheism then it's unscientific and it's wrong.

free thinking means slave thinking. when it's against them it's fine when it's against us then it makes you a lunatic and new age wirdo and it's unscientific.