tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post8706810395704538690..comments2023-11-22T09:00:59.909-08:00Comments on Atheistwatch: Christianity: Force for LiberationJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-22053212653238136252013-09-09T03:38:04.067-07:002013-09-09T03:38:04.067-07:00Yonose,
Yes I think the problem is God is on the ...Yonose,<br /><br />Yes I think the problem is God is on the side of the poor, but when we start identifying God with our social project we begin to feel like we speak for God. St. Augustine was right when he said no temporal social project or orbiter of temporal power can ever claim to be the city of God.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-6047249096024378672013-09-08T14:29:22.964-07:002013-09-08T14:29:22.964-07:00Meta,
My area of expertise is electronics enginee...Meta,<br /><br />My area of expertise is electronics engineering (nothing to do with), but theological, sociological and other "hard science" (just for sake of distinction, science is science) studies (chemistry, physics) are also part of my interests. <br /><br />In retrospect, I humbly believe that there's still a whole lot more to do. Politics is a thorny issue I tend to go away from because of the sake of it's concept and applications. The consequences are not doing well worldwide.<br /><br />What you have shown once again, is that religious teachings shouldn't be so quickly associated with any fixed political scope, and for the sake of it, a fixed political worldview. My apologies for ignoring the main reason of your post.<br /><br />What is still not clear to me, is why there are still too many atheists and agnostics who fall on the trap of attributing political concepts to religions as if they could just be seen from such perspectives.<br /><br />I just wonder, by my own ignorance, how people in social sciences (I mean in general, don't know specifics) deal with such things.<br /><br />Kind Regards.yonosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853519252063461784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-26721102629083209442013-09-08T05:30:41.603-07:002013-09-08T05:30:41.603-07:00Yonose, welcome back!
As I say I use him merely a...Yonose, welcome back!<br /><br />As I say I use him merely as an indication of how far from right wing it can get. That doesn't mean he represents all of liberation theology, he does not.<br /><br />I appreciate your views.<br /><br />I know it can be hard. I was in the central America solidarity movement. Listening to our guys I believed the Sandinistas were angels and the contras were devils.<br /><br />Then at a protest I met a guy who claimed to have been a contra (in the Nicaragua struggle). He was just passing by, so he said, and had to speak out against us.<br /><br />He told of how his brother had been murdered by the Sandinista. No not the "good guys?" I had to face facts, "good guys" do bad things sometimes. Maybe there are no real good guys in politics?<br /><br />It's a clearly a mistake to makes saints of one political faction and devils of the other.<br /><br />Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-67551814966580016342013-09-07T17:28:12.486-07:002013-09-07T17:28:12.486-07:00Meta,
I have posted in this blog quite a long tim...Meta,<br /><br />I have posted in this blog quite a long time ago, it is just that I don't do it very frequently, but it is a routine of mine, of visiting your blog frequently :P<br /><br />Maybe the latest port of mine was <a href="http://atheistwatch.blogspot.com/2013/04/atheists-live-out-life-of-brainbattle.html" rel="nofollow">in your post here</a><br /><br />My English is not perfect, and I'm not as old as to be born by that time but, the consequences are quite telling over here and still palatable. There's no reason to think that such worldviews would lead to any liberation, politically speaking, by today's standards. Heck, did it even got past the decade before becoming so reactionary and ultimately violent? (in the same way as zealot conservatives did?)<br /><br />Anyway, the reason of your argument, as mentioned before, is quite accurate and still correctly contextualized. Your mention about politics getting dirty is also a sadly true observation.<br /><br />Kind Regards.yonosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853519252063461784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-72375929222011906342013-09-07T04:20:48.831-07:002013-09-07T04:20:48.831-07:00How to make short link from long URL
I'm goin...How to make short link from long URL<br /><br />I'm going to do it using parenthesis so you can understand how it's done but it really uses greater than/lesser than which you see illustrated at the bottom.<br /><br />(a href="<b>URL goes here</b>")your text here(/a)<br /><br />the part that says your text here can be made as long or short as you like.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-65034269271886124332013-09-07T04:18:43.527-07:002013-09-07T04:18:43.527-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-53054272388676824342013-09-07T04:13:27.366-07:002013-09-07T04:13:27.366-07:00Interesting points JB
your link hereInteresting points JB<br /><br /><a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/gay-advocates-get-wish-as-christian-bakers-who-refused-to-bake-cake-for-lesbian-couple-forced-to-close-shop-103610/" rel="nofollow">your link here</a>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-7751385425563460542013-09-07T04:11:55.417-07:002013-09-07T04:11:55.417-07:001966 was a long time ago. btw have we met before?1966 was a long time ago. btw have we met before?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-42002318540748102772013-09-07T04:10:38.693-07:002013-09-07T04:10:38.693-07:00Yonose, I appreciate your comments. Thanks for pos...Yonose, I appreciate your comments. Thanks for posting. I agree with what you say. you know the history of region much better than I do. Maybe Torres was wrong even in his day, he did resort to violence. My point is merely that one can't conclude reasonably that Christianity always means support for the rich and powerful and right wing politics.<br /><br />I was not trying to say that group Torres joined had it all on straight. Things change, especially politics. Politics is ultimately dirty.<br /><br />Christianity can be a force for liberation, it's not always issuing in right wing power seeking oppression of the poor.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-46619010807688922442013-09-06T19:37:08.587-07:002013-09-06T19:37:08.587-07:00Meta,
Long time no see, I´m a colombian guy. This...Meta,<br /><br />Long time no see, I´m a colombian guy. This article somehow touches me (by this time, you will know this is a tantrum).<br /><br />Unfortunately, it is not the same nowadays. What was known as the National Liberation Army or ELN (Ejercito de Liberacion Nacional, spanish) is almost inexistent, and took the same lead as the FARC (Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia, spanish), whose people became themselves into a violent, dogmatic organization devoid of their primary principles. No difference at all when comparing them with Paramilitary criminals (rastrojos, aguilas negras), among many of their actions.<br /><br />Colombia's history is very well known for the constant bipartisan war between liberals and conservatives, coming from at least two centuries apart.<br /><br />But actual "liberalism", as I said, is no longer the same, it is more like its postmodernist type (I'm not an expert, it is just how do I perceive it, may I be correct or not). <br /><br />Communism, anarchism and politically correct vegetarianism (veganism) are the trifecta of the extremist left-leaning people here (I'm a "centrist"), still influenced by Marxist dogma (not the dialectical type, but the "Engelian" one, the communist manifesto). And a strong atheistic characterization is among many, if not most, of them.<br /><br />Many people who lean to the extreme left here scream Camilo Torres' name so mindlessly, It really makes me sad (almost to the point of crying) how they do not accomplish his words by their own groupthink worldview, ignorance and violence. Now it is just mere politics and atheistic self-righteousness (a la New Atheism).<br /><br />Just take a look about this blog, Meta, to see what I mean:<br /><br />http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/<br /><br />It's in spanish, so I'll post another link for a translate to the english language here:<br /><br />http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/<br /><br />If you have some time, take a look and let me know what do you think.<br /><br />I'm somehow glad you've put this issue in point. Accurate and consistent.<br /><br />This beautiful country needs such a long and internal conflict to end!! At least it is much safer to go through, and stay within major cities!!<br /><br />Kind Regards, you made my day.yonosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853519252063461784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-26871887888507971312013-09-06T17:22:10.582-07:002013-09-06T17:22:10.582-07:00I agree with what you said about the Bible, and ne...I agree with what you said about the Bible, and needing more good scholars to teach it who research it in the original languages and who rightly divide it. <br /><br />We really haven't had that, and as a result, we have had too much fundamentalism. Here is an example:<br /><br />http://www.christianpost.com/news/gay-advocates-get-wish-as-christian-bakers-who-refused-to-bake-cake-for-lesbian-couple-forced-to-close-shop-103610/<br /><br />(BTW, how do you turn a long link into a single word or short phrase)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com