tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post8418666759712289183..comments2023-11-22T09:00:59.909-08:00Comments on Atheistwatch: Chruistianity has as many answers as you can raise questionsJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-18550298077352934472016-06-01T02:28:34.009-07:002016-06-01T02:28:34.009-07:00Also, Joe, You should have read a bit further in B...Also, Joe, You should have read a bit further in Brown's book, Death of the Messiah, at least to 1334-35 of the same volume (which happens to be vol. 2) for there Brown clarifies what his view is concerning The Gospel of Peter, quote: <br /><br />"I doubt that the author of GPeter had any written Gospel before him, although he was familiar with Matt because he had read it carefully in the past and/or had heard it read several times in community worship on the Lord's Day, so that it gave the dominant shaping to his thought. Most likely he had heard people speak who were familiar with the Gospels of Luke and John - perhaps traveling preachers who rephrased salient stories - as that he knew some of their contents but had little idea of their structure... Intermingled in the GPet author's mind were also popular tales about incidents in the passion, the very type of popular material that Matt had tapped in composing his Gospel at an earlier period. All this went into his composition of GPet, a gospel that was not meant to be read in liturgy but to help people picture imaginatively the career of Jesus." <br /><br />Brown's student, Susan E. Schaeffer, also argued for this position in her dissertation ("The Gospel of Peter, the Canonical Gospels, and Oral Tradition"). <br /><br />See also The Gospel of Peter and Early Christian Apologetics: Rewriting the Story of Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection (Wissenschaftliche…Dec 31, 2011 by Timothy P Henderson, which concludes: <br /><br />"Sometime in the middle part of the second century, a Christian author composed a new story of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus..." <br /><br />You can read the rest of Henderson's Conclusion here https://books.google.com/books?id=1qHKGmydMnMC&lpg=PA30&ots=AQMWnPsBRT&dq=Raymond%20Brown%20%22Canonical%20Gospel%20Priority%22&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false<br /><br />And by all means please read Studying the Historical Jesus: Evaluations of the State of Current Research (New Testament Tools and Studies)May 25, 1998 by Dr Craig A Evans and Bruce Chilton, pg. 512ff https://books.google.com/books?id=AJM9grxOjjMC&lpg=PA512&dq=reception%20history%20of%20%22the%20gospel%20of%20peter%22&pg=PA512#v=onepage&q&f=falseEdwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-83641207941481788172016-05-27T16:04:28.233-07:002016-05-27T16:04:28.233-07:00Also, has J.P. Holding ever gotten off his young-e...Also, has J.P. Holding ever gotten off his young-earth creationism "default" horse? Has he stopped labeling the flat earth presumptions of biblical authors as merely the result of bad exegesis by "fundie atheists?" Surely he must know by now that atheists were not the first to come up with the idea of a firm firmament. Early Jewish rabbis along with Augustine and St. Jerome came up with the the idea, and going back further still, the whole ancient Middle East came up with similar ideas of a storied cosmos with heaven upstairs above a flat earth and some sort of floor or floors separating the two. <br /><br />Even Holding's long time friend and fellow apologist at Deeper Waters calmly interviewed John Walton from Wheaton on Walton's acknowledgement of ancient flat earthery presumptions of biblical authors.Edwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-20425127956683220452016-05-27T16:04:16.997-07:002016-05-27T16:04:16.997-07:00Thanks for the review and mention on your blog.
...Thanks for the review and mention on your blog. <br /><br />I am not an atheist. But I will add that even some Christians have spoken up in defense of atheism: http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/01/christian-defenses-of-atheism.html<br /><br />Bauckham's book rec'd plenty of probing critical questions from scholarly reviewers that anyone can read who is curious enough to access The ATLA (American Theological Library Association) Religion Index. Despite Bauckham's indirect arguments and calm assurances we don't know who wrote what, or what any particular author sharing a story orally or in written form saw for themselves or heard and picked up from others. If there is a first person story as to what anyone saw, then it probably exists in letters of Paul, but all they recount is a brief first person statement, "He appeared to me." To what degree Acts features Paul's story in its historical authenticity is another question. And per Acts the appearance of Jesus to Paul took place after the alleged bodily resurrected Jesus was no longer on the earth, yet Paul lumps all "appearance" stories including his own, together in 1 Cor 15. <br /><br />The majority of Jesus's alleged miracles were limited to either unnamed wildernesses (the earliest versions of the feeding of the multitude in GMark and GMatthew), or limited to towns in the "Evangelical triangle" rather than large cities, or seen allegedly by three apostles on a mountaintop, or seen by a few in a boat, or seen by none (the miraculous temptations by the devil that Jesus allegedly endured in the wilderness).<br /><br />As for the resurrection story, did anyone see Jesus rise from the dead and exit his tomb? <br /><br />Was the "empty tomb" story itself early or late? (In GMark, presumably the earliest Gospel, the women "told no one anything," the Greek is emphatic involving a doubling of the word; and even if the women told no one but the apostles, the story amounts to the apostles being told that Jesus had gone on ahead of his disciples to Galilee and they should return to Galilee to see Jesus there, which is not what Luke and John say, neither of which feature the message at the tomb found in Mark and Matthew, the earliest Gospels.) <br /><br />Some point to the story of Lazarus and people seeing Lazarus rise and exit his tomb as a preview of what Jesus was going to do, but the question remains whether that story is based on stories and names found in earlier Gospels: http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2011/02/perfumed-jesus.html<br /><br />As for Isaiah 53 it's in the past tense. Christians only focus on the places in Isa. 53 that sound like the Jesus story and forget the parts that don't. That is the basis of superstition, recalling the hits, forgetting the misses or vagaries, such as in the case of Nostradamus's alleged prophecies: http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/08/isaiah-53-not-prophecy-of-jesus.html Additional so-called prophecies of Jesus's first coming are even less convincing. As J. P. Holding himself admits: "...we cannot present an apologetic on this basis [that OT prophecy fulfillment is a good apologetic] as we normally have; or else we are forced into a corner of explaining ie, why the NT allegedly uses OT passages 'out of context.'" http://www.tektonics.org/af/christianmyths.php<br /><br />Edwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-81478841376458776882016-05-16T13:52:37.789-07:002016-05-16T13:52:37.789-07:00great minds think alikegreat minds think alikeJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-77239494316932568002016-05-16T13:07:01.655-07:002016-05-16T13:07:01.655-07:00Here's the link:
Tekton Forge: Ed BabinskiHere's the link:<br /><br /><a href="http://tektonforge.blogspot.com/search/label/Ed%20Babinski" rel="nofollow"> <b>Tekton Forge: Ed Babinski</b></a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-79052064327607680842016-05-16T05:47:50.168-07:002016-05-16T05:47:50.168-07:00Babinski used to be Holding's whipping boy on ...Babinski used to be Holding's whipping boy on the Tekton Forge blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-71499470871480102482016-05-16T05:46:49.535-07:002016-05-16T05:46:49.535-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com