tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post6247641362788897187..comments2023-11-22T09:00:59.909-08:00Comments on Atheistwatch: Atheists Use Ridicule as Brain WashingJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-74715491915442246912013-02-22T09:37:48.849-08:002013-02-22T09:37:48.849-08:00I form good sentences. there's no thing wrong ...I form good sentences. there's no thing wrong with my speaking or writing. My grammar is fine. Most people don't even know hat grammar is. The people who have to make things like spelling and grammar an issue are trying to distract form the major issues,because they can't answer the arguments.<br /><br />I am compassionate to atheist. First I do not hate atheists. I never said I did. they have said that. they are trying to propagandize and turn my legitimate points that they can't answer into emotional issues. <br /><br />Moreover, I don't have to think they are smart to be compassionately nothings bout compassion that says I have to pretend stupid people are smart. When people say stupid things I will point out "hey that's a stupid thing he said." that doesn't' mean I hate them. It's just that I don't pretend stupid things are smart.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-15517583029729499322013-02-18T18:34:06.745-08:002013-02-18T18:34:06.745-08:00I'm dyslexic and can form, and spell sentences...I'm dyslexic and can form, and spell sentences, just fine. I do not know what atheists you have been dealing with, but I surely do hope that over the last two years your opinion of them has changed. Your article was pretty one-sided. I'm very disappointed. Someone who believes in god is supposed to be one who is understanding and compassionate. I must say that you sound like most christians I come into contact with......condescending and ready to wage battle. Again.....I am very disappointed. And if you want to know how to write without making mistakes, let me know....I have plenty of suggestions. More than likely you will not post this comment....which would be a shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-27201623001961433892010-11-08T13:36:48.317-08:002010-11-08T13:36:48.317-08:00"Hermit, I disagree with you. I am ridiculed ...<i>"Hermit, I disagree with you. I am ridiculed fairly frequently simply for arguing for a relatively liberal version of Christianity. Christianity is called mythology and bashed in many other ways, on a regular basis and without any discernible provocation, on internet forums. I remember that you used to post on CARM, so I know you've seen some of this, even if you don't remember."</i><br /><br />I do remember CARM. I've been abused, mocked, bullied and ridiculed pretty mercilessly by more than a few of the Christians I've encountered on CARM, (including our host here) but I wouldn't run around generalizing about Christianity on the basis of their bad behaviour.<br /><br />I keep trying to make this point to Metacrock; the behaviour of a few individuals on internet forums is NOT a good yardstick by which to measure atheist thinking in general. <br /><br />I wouldn't think that what happens on CARM is a very useful guide to anything in the real world, although even there I think you may be overstating things. I've actually seen and had some pretty rewarding exchanges between reasonable believers and atheists there (again including our host here...) What we're talking about here has everything to do with internet culture in general and very little to do with theological beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-31318239996372440062010-11-08T08:55:38.424-08:002010-11-08T08:55:38.424-08:00Hey Occam good to hear from you. I appreciate your...Hey Occam good to hear from you. I appreciate your work on carm. You will find a small handful of atheists can aprpreciate intelligent Christians. It' more common they hate liberals even more than fundies. I think two reasons.<br /><br />(1) some given an enabling augment, we are enabling fundamentalism. I think that shows how they don't even comprehend the difference.<br /><br />I think that really puts into perspective their arguments that they don't need to know theology.<br /><br />(2) They are more threatened by us because they can't answer our stuff. It's stuff they haven't heard before, atheist websites don't give them good answers to good liberal ideas. So they are afarid because they are caught off guard.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-25426617761514301782010-11-08T08:16:59.060-08:002010-11-08T08:16:59.060-08:00Metacrock, this is a good post. I have recently co...Metacrock, this is a good post. I have recently come to appreciate your insights into the socialization effects of the internet atheist community.<br /><br />Hermit, I disagree with you. I am ridiculed fairly frequently simply for arguing for a relatively liberal version of Christianity. Christianity is called mythology and bashed in many other ways, on a regular basis and without any discernible provocation, on internet forums. I remember that you used to post on CARM, so I know you've seen some of this, even if you don't remember.<br /><br />~OccamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-44069947193296212772010-11-08T07:53:32.498-08:002010-11-08T07:53:32.498-08:00probably true that most of it is about YeCS and ri...probably true that most of it is about YeCS and right wingers and John Heggie types. I ridicule him myself.<br /><br />I see so many who are just as likely to mock and ridicule Tillich and the Brilliant theologians.<br /><br />that guy that called Thomas Kuhn a creationist fundie.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-92139101959576312292010-11-08T07:38:45.652-08:002010-11-08T07:38:45.652-08:00"Mocking and ridicule are acts of hate."...<i>"Mocking and ridicule are acts of hate."</i><br /><br />They certainly can be, and they aren't my favourite tactics, but they can also be useful and valid tools. Satire, a la Mark Twain for example, is a very effective method of communicating ideas and it often involves mocking and ridicule. Of course there has to be some substance behind it.<br /><br /><i>"Stupid people and ignorant people always mock things they don't understand. When mocking and ridicule replace real thought in a community then the mere presence of ridicule is enough to stifle thought on the subject."</i><br /><br />Most of the mocking I see coming from the atheist community tends to be directed at the frankly ridiculous ideas of Young Earth creationists or woman-hating, gay bashing fundamentalists. When PZ Myers mocks Ken Ham that's not an example of an ignorant person going after someone whose ideas they don't understand; quite the opposite in fact.<br /><br />And let's not pretend that you've been above using those tactics yourself, and not always in a thoughtful way, but often out of anger. <br /><br /><i>"We can see clearly that atheism flourishes on mocking and ridiculing."</i><br /><br />You have a bad habit of going looking for bad examples and then attributing them to the whole atheist population. <br /><br /><i>"As the studies indicate atheists have poor self esteem..."</i><br /><br />And there you go doing exactly what I predicted you would do; misrepresenting the research to prop up your distorted idea of what unbelievers are all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com