tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post2081187987317421901..comments2023-11-22T09:00:59.909-08:00Comments on Atheistwatch: Big Bang 2: Support for BBJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-43466108764555739172010-06-17T02:14:25.970-07:002010-06-17T02:14:25.970-07:00Whatever "replaces" the BB will include ...Whatever "replaces" the BB will include the BB back to some point VERY early in the history of the Universe, most likely when quantum-gravity effects or extra-dimension effects were strong.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984896453534621864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-39908844783849756412010-06-13T17:26:16.359-07:002010-06-13T17:26:16.359-07:00Loren you really don't understand any sort of ...Loren you really don't understand any sort of issues. sorry you don't. you are so out of the loop you don't understand even the basic issues involved in my argument.<br /><br />The level of YEC support in the popular culture has absolutely nothing to do with anything I'm talking about.<br /><br /><br />My basic point is that scinece is not absolute, it's not even necessarily truth, its' a socially constructed world view. The proof is we are embarking upon a paradigm shift in which a theory that was all but taken as fact is about to be dumped in favor of some paradigm that's a closer to older views there dumped in favor of the one that's now being discorded.<br /><br />Paradigm shifts in scinece do not happen among the general public. What the masses think about that is nothing to do with it at all. Scientists make paradigms in scinece not regular people.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-48933979088762720142010-06-13T12:04:44.981-07:002010-06-13T12:04:44.981-07:00Metacrock, why don't you look at opinion polls...Metacrock, why don't you look at opinion polls on how old people think the Universe is? Young-earthism is a lot more common than you seem to think.<br /><br />Or do opinion polls only count when they support your pet beliefs?<br /><br />As to being a "liberal", you have a jingoistic belligerence about your beliefs that would make a fundie proud.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984896453534621864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-50697210922208551572010-06-13T08:05:45.426-07:002010-06-13T08:05:45.426-07:00I am still pro BB too. That's one thing we agr...I am still pro BB too. That's one thing we agree upon. Unfortunately Kuhn didn't talk that much about how challenged paradigms can triumph. He said they absorbed the anomalies into the paradigm but when there are too many that it shifts, he didn't say what happens when it looks like it's about to shift, can it be defended and brought back.<br /><br />I assume that if the BB is true it will be brought back when more evidence for it is discovered.<br /><br />We all know fundies are misguided if they weren't they wouldn't be "fundies."<br /><br />I think a tiny minority of Christian still buy into Usher's thing of adding up the begatts and getting a 6000 year old earth. Too many Evangelicals have come out in favor of the idea gaps in the begats.<br /><br />Even the big "intellectual" of fundies Francis Shaffer came out saying there are gaps and the earth can be old.<br /><br />Now don't go thinking Shaffer is someone I admire. I find it really disconcerting that you don't seem to get that I'm a liberal. Like Rex you seem to argue from guilt by association a lot.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6538255877506581515.post-80268564734205627492010-06-13T05:30:58.546-07:002010-06-13T05:30:58.546-07:00Many fundies (many of your fellow Christians, I ma...Many fundies (many of your fellow Christians, I may add) oppose the Big Bang theory because it requires the Universe to be much older than what they believe the Universe to be -- only about 6000 years old. They get that date by adding up the begots in your favorite book, the Bible.<br /><br />That aside, I agree that Rawhn Joseph is just plain wrong about how well the Big Bang fits the evidence.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984896453534621864noreply@blogger.com